Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have a lot of new photos of Robinsons D11 DESIGN
This collection features the D11/2 which were built in 1924 by the LNER to a reduced loading gauge with smaller boiler mountings for hauling passenger trains in Scotland.
They became known as 'Scottish Director's’
They were all named after characters in Sir Walter Scott's novels and poems,
Such as
62691 Laird of Balmawhapple
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LNER era photos start here with
6394 Lord James of Douglas
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B.R. era photos start here with
62676 Jonathan Oldbuck passes B1 61341
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to
62684 Wizard of the Moor Eastfield shed 27th May 1950
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62692 Allan-Bane
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Neil
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I have added a lot of new photos of Robinsons D11/1 4-4-0
This first collection features the locos in the GCR & LNER era
Including this spotless loco in a dirty steam shed
508 Prince of Wales
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New photos of GCR era start here
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New photos of LNER era start here
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to
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Neil
https://tinyurl.com/myway26v

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I have added a lot of new photos of Robinsons D11/1 4-4-0
This collection features the locos in the B.R. era
Including 2 locos on special duty
62666 Zeebrugge and sister loco unknown special hard to tell from headboard
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full collection starts here with
62660 Butler Henderson
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62663 Prince Albert
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62665 Mons
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62667 Somme
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62670 Marne
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Neil
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[Hatfield Shed]

...62666 Zeebrugge and sister loco unknown special hard to tell from headboard... https://tinyurl.com/3kncr5ej

The image on the headboard looks episcopal to me, standing man with right hand raised in blessing, and a bishops mitre above.

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The GCR Class 11E later LNER D10 was a type of 4-4-0 steam locomotive used by the Great Central Railway for express passenger services. Ten were built in the railway's own workshops at Gorton, Manchester during 1913; they remained in service until the mid-1950s

The original names were those of directors of the GCR; Sir Alexander Henderson was the Chairman of the Board, and William Purdon Viccars was Deputy Chairman. At the time, there were twelve members of the GCR Board; of these, two (Viscount Cross and Sir Alexander Henderson) already had locomotives named after them. However, the latter's name was removed from class 11B no. 1014 and used on class 11E no. 429, so one director was not honoured at this stage, this was rectified the following year when class 1A 4-6-0 no. 439 was named Sutton Nelthorpe.
Two locomotives had their names altered subsequently, one of them twice. Sir Alexander Henderson was created Baron Faringdon in 1916, but his new name was used on a class 9P 4-6-0, so in 1917 no. 429 was renamed Sir Douglas Haig after the Commander-in-Chief of the British Expeditionary Force. In turn, Sir Douglas was created Earl Haig in 1919 and his new name used on another class 9P 4-6-0, so no. 429 was renamed a second time, becoming Prince Henry c. 1920 after the fourth child of King George V. When Charles Stuart-Wortley was raised to the peerage as Baron Stuart of Wortley in 1917, his name was used on a further class 9P, so no. 437 was renamed Prince George c. 1920 after the fifth child of King George V.

Including this photo of 2 locos at Manchester Central in B.R. days
62651 Purdon Viccars alongside 62655 The Earl of Kerry Manchester Central
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30 new photos start here with
GCR era
429 Sir Alexander Henderson
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LNER era
5429 Prince Henry at Handsworth c1935
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5431 Edwin A Beazley
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B.R. era
62656 Sir Clement Royds Northwich c1954
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Neil

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The Great Central Railway Class 9N, classified A5 by the LNER, was a class of 4-6-2 tank locomotives designed by John G. Robinson for suburban passenger services
The Great Central Railway (GCR) Class 9N (LNER Class A5) was Robinson's last passenger tank design. They were designed to pull the difficult suburban services out of Marylebone, which they performed admirably for over 30 years.
The GCR built three batches between 1911 and 1917. A fourth batch was ordered by the GCR, but was built after Grouping in 1923. The LNER ordered a fifth and final batch from Hawthorn, Leslie & Co. which was built between 1925 and 1926. This final batch was to fill a shortage of passenger tank locomotives in the North Eastern area. A total of 44 locomotives were built.
The A5s were amongst the first GCR locomotives to have superheaters. The first locomotives had superheaters of the Schmidt type, but over time, Robinson applied his various changes as he developed his own superheater design. This led to a number of different superheater variations existing on the A5s at first. Between 1915 and 1917, they were all brought up to the same standard and had what became known as the Robinson Superheater. Robinson's Superheater expanded the superheater elements into the smoke header, and had a combined blower and circulating valve, to protect the elements from the firebox gases when the regulator was closed. (from Wikipedia)
Far from the old GCR we find
69838 Stockton on Tees shed August 1956
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Including 2 photos in the GCR era
23 in Great Central livery unknown location
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449 in Great Central livery unknown location
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LNER era photos start here with
447 unknown location
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to 5168 at Neasden
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B.R. era start here with
69801 Nottingham Victoria with the 5.16pm local to Basford North (Notts) 4th October 1956
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to 69811 unknown location
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to 69842 Catterick camp 11th October 1952
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Neil
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The GCR Class 8C was a class of a pair of 4-6-0 locomotives built for the Great Central Railway in 1903–1904 by Beyer, Peacock and Company. They passed to the London and North Eastern Railway at the 1923 grouping and received the classification B1 They were reclassified B18 in 1943 and both were retired in 1947.

196 in G.C.R. livery
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LNER era start here
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Neil

https://tinyurl.com/kh3vam

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I have added a new collection featuring John G. Robinson Class B2 reclassified B19 (GCR Class I) Sir Sam Fay 4-6-0 class
The GCR Class 1 was a class of steam locomotives designed by John G. Robinson for the Great Central Railway, and introduced to service between December 1912 and 1913. In the 1923 grouping, they all passed to the London and North Eastern Railway who placed them in class B2. Their classification was changed to B19 in 1945, and all had been retired by the end of 1947
GCR era
423 Sir Sam Fay in GCR livery
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LNER era start here with
5423 Sir Sam Fay on a Immingham Boat special Northolt Park 1938
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5426 City of Chester
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Neil

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I have added a new collection featuring John G. Robinson Class B3 (GCR Class 9P) "Lord Faringdon" Class
(Info from LNER Encyclopedia & Wikipedia)
This class of loco featured 1165, this was designated as the war memorial locomotive: it carried an inscription below the name reading "In memory of G.C.R. employees who gave their lives for their country 1914–1918.
6165 Valour doubleheads Robinson B2 5424 City of Lincoln near Glazebrook with a Grand National special in 1939
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6165 Valour
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In an attempt to improve the coal burning, Gresley rebuilt Nos. 6166 & 6168 with Caprotti valve gear in 1929; and Nos. 6164 & 6167 in 1938-39. The main difference with the locomotives with the Caprotti valve gear, was that the poppet valves were mounted vertically. There were two valves at each end of each cylinder: one for admission and one for exhaust. Hence the Caprotti B3s had a total of sixteen valves. The valves were then operated by a cam system operated from the main drive axle. Caprotti valve gear had the advantage that the periods of of release and compression could be kept constant for any degree of cut-off. This resulted in more work from the expansion of steam, and a reduction in the volume to be cleared. Tests with the first two locomotives demonstrated a saving in coal of 16 percent. The cam operating scrolls would often fail, but, but this was fixed with bronze scrolls. The valve cam boxes also tended to overheat. This was eventually fixed by completely removing the covers on the boxes.
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In 1943, Thompson rebuilt No. 6166 to be very similar to one of his B1s and was reclassified B3/3. Only the bogie, driving wheels and the rear part of the frame were kept in the rebuild. The rebuild was too drastic, and the B3/3 regularly suffered from cracked frames. All further B3 rebuilds were cancelled
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Neil
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[transheldrake]

I have a question, which I cannot find an easy answer to online.

I have a K's Kit built by my friend the late Dr Michael Weaver in approx 1967. The name on the box is LNER (Ex GCR) 2-8-0 R.O.D Goods locomotive & tender kit, on the box a photo is shown with the original GCR /LNER number 6205. My question is can anyone give me the later LNER number for this loco and its BR allocated number and then we can identify which loco type it is O4/?. The top feed is very prominent aft of the chimney, and the box title implies its an ROD build so an O4/3.

Any help would be appreciated,I could post a second photo if I knew how.

Thanking you
Transheldrake

[Danby Wiske]

All the information you need is available at:

www.brdatabase.info

6205 was built by the GCR in 1912, so definitely not a ROD!
LNER classified it O4/1, and it was rebuilt to O4/8 in 1944. Eventual BR number was 63738.

[transheldrake]

Thank you Danby,

I didn't realise that the BR data base could be searched forwards so to speak.

So the model probably depicts the loco before modification in 1944 to an O4/8. As it has a Belpaire firebox and the top feed is not similar to any O4/8 I have seen pics of and the cab has no side windows.

Thanks

[Danby Wiske]

The site has pre-1948 info for some (but not all) BR locos, so it's always worthwhile putting a number in the quick search box to see what comes up!

[Atlantic 3279]

Unless the model that has actually been built from the kit exactly matches the picture on the box lid then there's nothing to say that the model portrays the same sub-class. Would it be better to show the model rather than the kit manufacturer's sample picture?

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The GCR Class 8F was a class of ten 4-6-0 locomotives built for the Great Central Railway in 1906 by Beyer, Peacock and Company to the design of John G. Robinson for working fast goods and fish trains. They passed to the London and North Eastern Railway at the 1923 grouping and received the classification 'B4'.
The class were originally used on fish trains between the port of Grimsby and London and Manchester although they were also found to be successful passenger locomotives. No. 1097/6097 was also chosen to haul the special train at the inauguration ceremony for the new port of Immingham in 1906, and was named ‘Immingham’ thereafter.
6097 Immingham at Brunswick C.L.C. shed July 1937
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After grouping the class was transferred to Ardsley, South Yorkshire and did much useful work in the West Riding of Yorkshire
Full collection starts here
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Neil
https://tinyurl.com/425jrkmw