Mystery mongrel Locomotive

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Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by Hourhouse » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:00 pm

The photo shows a train of happy holidaymakers heading for Scarborough, but the loco is a bit of a mongrel.
I suspect a complete fabrication by a skilful artist, but in places, it looks like a photo and that has to be a North Eastern cab. Any thoughts?

Now identified by the excellent Wainwright as a L&Y Dreadnought! Many thanks.
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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by jwealleans » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:03 pm

Sticking my neck out, but isn't that an LMS Claughton, or something similar?

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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by Wainwright » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:46 pm

That, sir, looks like an L&YR Dreadnought.

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com ... i-8tC3Gj2/

THis tiled map (from Manchester Victoria I think) shows that the L&YR advertised itself as having running rights over the Scarborough line (and it certainly ran trains into York).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancashir ... tation.jpg

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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by Hourhouse » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:58 pm

Blimey, that was quick!
Yes, it's certainly a Dreadnought. That's a new one on me - always learning :D
Many thanks for the help.

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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by jwealleans » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:43 pm

There you go. What he said.

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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by 50C » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:14 pm

The last one (50455) of Blackpool shed(24E) was withdrawn in October 1951.

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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by Wainwright » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:31 pm

More about these near-miss designs here...

http://www.lyrs.org.uk/images/uploads/P ... o_1932.pdf

NB I read in Harold Holcroft's memoirs that the Southern staff made a study of these Hughes 4 cylinder 4-6-0s (as well as the Raven Pacifics and the GWR 4-cylinder types) at the research stage for designing the Lord Nelsons...

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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by Wainwright » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:33 pm

Back to the more general point about LYR workings into Scarborough - does anyone know was it ever possible to see the earlier Aspinall 4-4-2s alongside NER 4-4-2s at Scarborough before WWI?

(Particularly interested in the Worsdell/Smith Compound 4-4-2s which have some external vague resemblance to the Aspinall types if you squint through mist).

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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by Blink Bonny » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:55 pm

Ay up!

The Dreadnought is also drawing a rake of suspiciously L&Y/LMS stock.

There was a similar series in the 20s and 30s showing a certain 4472 arriving at Scarborough, Blackpool, Brighton and all sorts of similar places.....
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!

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Re: Mystery mongrel Locomotive

Post by Wainwright » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:10 pm

Ah, thanks, Mr BB.

Googling a bit shows up the L&Y 4-6-0 'arriving' at Bridlington, and an LSWR 'paddlebox' / T14 which seeming a surprisingly large amount of time in Scotland.

http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_pcv_unide ... tiview.htm

So did Lancs and Yorks locos never really penetrate to Scarborough at all? Shame.

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