ECJS No 12

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ECJS No 12

Post by drmditch » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:33 pm

Also at Shildon last weekend, I took some quick pictures of the this vehicle, being most interested in the bogie, underframe, and brake construction.
There is some discussion of this vehicle.... here...
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I am interested since it is a York built vehicle from 1898, and the bogies are presumably Fox bogies from that period. The above link suggests that some reinforcement was applied to the underframe at a later period. Somehow the link between the queen posts and the tiebars looks incomplete. Did something happen here in it's various re-builds?
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It is interesting that both vacuum-brake cylinders are on the same side. It would presumably have been dual fitted when built. Does this mean that the Westinghouse cylinders were both on the other side?
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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by drmditch » Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:35 pm

I also note that the side roofs in this restoration are painted brown. According to Harris these would originally have been grained to match the sides. I wonder how long that remained visible!
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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by Wavey » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:16 pm

drmditch wrote:I am interested since it is a York built vehicle from 1898, and the bogies are presumably Fox bogies from that period. The above link suggests that some reinforcement was applied to the underframe at a later period. Somehow the link between the queen posts and the tiebars looks incomplete. Did something happen here in it's various re-builds?
This new plate and welding work could have been done at Carnforth in the 1980's when the carriage was given a major overhaul. Not sure the LNER would have bothered with a structural repair like that on such an old carriage.
drmditch wrote:It is interesting that both vacuum-brake cylinders are on the same side. It would presumably have been dual fitted when built. Does this mean that the Westinghouse cylinders were both on the other side?
More than likely.
NER Open First 2118 had a similar arrangement with 2 air cylinders on the opposite side and this was subsequently converted to vacuum only at a later date.

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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by Bill Bedford » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:12 pm

drmditch wrote:It is interesting that both vacuum-brake cylinders are on the same side. It would presumably have been dual fitted when built. Does this mean that the Westinghouse cylinders were both on the other side?
There was a single double acting Westinghouse cylinder on the other side.

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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by drmditch » Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:58 pm

I am happy to report that this vehicle has returned to Locomotion, Shildon. It is marshaled behind No.1621 and looks splendid.
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While assisting colleagues, I was able to walk through the corridor today. The inner wall is decorated with brown-painted lincrusta, (sorry it was difficult to get a picture of that with my old 'phone.)

There is more however, more lincrusta in the Lavatory!
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Was this to make third-class passengers feel at home in an imitation brick-built privy?
They certainly did not have much space to feel comfortable in!
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Could this be a challenge for the more competent modellers on this forum?

Didn't get a picture of a full compartment, but the inside of the clerestory may be of interest.
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I do like this vehicle. If we remain open I will try to take more pictures of interesting features.

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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by Trestrol » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:44 am

It certainly is a nice carriage. If you're taking more pictures could you take close ups of the window bars in the toilet and corridor please? They may provide some information for the corridor in ECJS 189.

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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by manna » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:18 pm

G'Day Gents

Thank you for the pictures in No 12, I should be able to finish the underside now, of a model of No 12.

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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by Hatfield Shed » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:39 am

drmditch wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:58 pm
...Was this to make third-class passengers feel at home in an imitation brick-built privy?
They certainly did not have much space to feel comfortable in! Post_12_02.jpg
Showed this to my wife, and her immediate comment was that this must have been severely hampering for women, as the contemporary clothing was a full length skirt of several layers.

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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by drmditch » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:47 pm

Hatfield Shed wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:39 am
drmditch wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:58 pm
...Was this to make third-class passengers feel at home in an imitation brick-built privy?
They certainly did not have much space to feel comfortable in! Post_12_02.jpg
Showed this to my wife, and her immediate comment was that this must have been severely hampering for women, as the contemporary clothing was a full length skirt of several layers.
Quite!
Although it would be interesting to find contemporary 1st Class facilities for comparison!

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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by Trestrol » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:57 pm

We at LNERCA have had similar thoughts about our RTO 189. The seats are metal framed with fixed armrests. How a victorian woman managed to sit in them with their skirts is beyond us.

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Re: ECJS No 12

Post by drmditch » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:51 am

Perhaps at some Post-Covid time, if there ever is a Post-Covid time, some kind of historical re-enactment for seating and access could be useful!

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