Numbering System- J71

[Frazmataz]

Does anyone know what the numberings for class J71 were in the inter-war years?

[Tom Quayle]

Try looking in the locomotive profiles on this site as the number system appears to be a bit convertuled for the class. I think it would be best to find somewhere that lists Inter-war shed allocations. Im sure someone in the forum will know of one. Between us we could proberbly cover most subjects related to LNER locos.

Good Luck sound like a interesting project (Ive read you post in the model railway section), there is a kit avalable for the J71, see the Loco profile

[Frazmataz]

thanks for the advice Tom Yes, I did think about the Conossieur model, but there seems to be mixed opinions on whether the 4mm range is produced at all anymore, and whether their site is actually up to date, so I'm going to be safe and get one that I know still exists. Besides, converting the Bachmann model sounds like a cheaper option, seeing as it comes with motor and gears, and there's probably less work required to make the prototype I'm looking for

[Colombo]

Regarding the numbering system for J71s.

The 1923 to 1946 numbers were identical to the NER numbers.
The NER policy was allocate whatever numbers were vacant, in effect they did not have a system. There were 120 locos in 1923 reduced to 81 in 1948. Numbers were scattered between 27 and 1864.

The numbers you want are listed in Locomotives at the Grouping no.2 LNER by Casserley and Johnston and in my Ian Allan ABC of LNER Locomotives for 1943 reprinted in 1982 (Limited Edition)

Here are some sample numbers: 50, 54, 70, 77, 103, 137, 181, 239, 240, 241, 1861,1836, 1134,1140.

I have no idea about allocations prior to 1948, but as they often stayed at the same shed for years, if you give me the BR number or the 1946 number of a loco, I can give you the pre 1946 number for same loco.

Colombo

[Frazmataz]

Thanks for that. I was thinking of using freelance numbering, because my layout doesn't have a very strict location. Got any suggestions for numbers that weren't already used on other engines?

[Colombo]

Bass,

The first unused number in the LNER post 1923 sequence was 28. However that number would previously have been allocated to a NER loco scrapped before 1923.

How about selecting the number of a loco that did not make it to 1946, then you could suggest that it had a heavy overhaul instead of being withdrawn?

Examples would be 144, 152, 225, 242, 263, 278, 285, 296, 304, 399, 401, 402, 447, 448, 451, 453, 478, 493, 496, 584, 811, 1666, 1863, 1862. Thats all of them

Colombo

[Frazmataz]

My time-frame is 1930s, so not sure about those...

[52D]

LNER/BR Locomotive renumbering schemes.



Prior to the grouping of the railway companies in 1923 each Constituent Company used its own numbering schemes. After the grouping, in February 1924 a renumbering scheme was carried out with Ex NER locomotives retaining their original numbers by virtue of being the largest of the constituent companies. The other constituent companies had the following amount added to their original numbering .Ex GNR locomotives had 3000 added, Ex GCR locomotives had 5000 added, Ex GNSR had 6800 added, Ex GER had 7000 added and Ex NBR locomotives having 9000 added to theirs giving rise to some five figure numbers. During this period as the LNER built new locomotives they used up the missing numbers in the scheme at random. Until in 1946 a comprehensive renumbering scheme was introduced by Thompson that placed locomotives in a logical numerical system with each class receiving numbers in a particular sequence usually with the earliest built receiving the lowest numbers. Thompson’s scheme is laid out in brief below.

Numbers / Locomotive types
1-999 Passenger & mixed traffic tender locomotives of 4-6-2 & 2-6-2 types. #
1000-1999 Passenger & mixed traffic tender locomotives of 4-6-0 & 2-6-0 types. *
2000-2999 Passenger & mixed traffic tender locomotives of 4-4-2 & 4-4-0 types. *
3000-3999 Freight tender locomotives of 2-8-0 & 0-8-0 types (including WD austerity 2-8-0 and LMS 8F 2-8-0 built by LNER works).
4000-5999 Freight tender locomotives of 0-6-0 types.
6000-6999 Electric locomotives.
7000-7999 Passenger tank locomotives.
8000-8999 Shunting tank locomotives.
9000-9999 Freight & mixed traffic tank locomotives.
After nationalisation British Railways simply added 60000 to the 1943 scheme numbers.

#Also included were P2 2-8-2 & W1 4-6-4 locomotives.

* A slight deviation from the above scheme was made to allow for the new build of seventy Class K1 2-6-0 tender locomotives that were allocated numbers in the 20XX series or 620xx series in the post nationalisation scheme.