GCR and GNR Baldwins. sources of information on these elusive locomotives?

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Nova
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GCR and GNR Baldwins. sources of information on these elusive locomotives?

Post by Nova » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:12 pm

A while back I stumbled across an image of one of the Baldwin Moguls purchased by the GNR and GCR in the late 1800s but have so far been unable to find any information on these two classes with which to attempt to scratch build or kitbash a model as something of an out-of-time interloper on the layout.

are there any books or web links that can help me with my quest?

Edit: Also information on a suitable chassis to use as a basis would be much apreciated
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Re: GCR and GNR Baldwins. sources of information on these elusive locomotives?

Post by Dave S » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:15 pm

Great Northern Locomotives by Groves Vol 3a

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Re: GCR and GNR Baldwins. sources of information on these elusive locomotives?

Post by Dave S » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:16 pm

Nova wrote:Edit: Also information on a suitable chassis to use as a basis would be much apreciated
Forgot to add that the chassis would be a scratch build (stand to be corrected)

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Re: GCR and GNR Baldwins. sources of information on these elusive locomotives?

Post by Hatfield Shed » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:53 pm

I'd say so too, nothing with quite the combination of wheel spacing that the 6 coupled element has, and it has a small diameter and low pitched boiler too, requiring a very compact mechanism. The nearest thing in UK RTR may well be the J15 mechanism, good for the 5' wheel diameter, low pitched boiler, and the firebox end wheel spacing of 8'6". Moving the front axle to the correct 6'3" spacing not impossible if prepared to modify the casting. Better yet though, take the layout of this model mechanism as a guide to scratchbuilding a complete new mechanism; that would also more easily accomodate the appearance of the bar frames and the prominent equalising beam between the centre and rear drivers.

I have somewhere seen a 4mm model of the very similar moguls purchased slightly earlier by the Midland Railway, and I am wondering if it is among the models in the NRM at York.

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Re: GCR and GNR Baldwins. sources of information on these elusive locomotives?

Post by sturrock » Tue Mar 14, 2017 5:39 am

In G F Bird's "Locos of the GN Rlwy" 1847-1910 he gives an excellent summary and specifications accompanied by a detailed drawing (pp171-3 and fig. 102) Likewise the Midland Record No. 1 supplement "American locos. of the Midland R." by David Hunt also has a detailed drawing of the near-identical MR version. Incidentally the latter book has details of an entirely different Schenectady 2 6 0 built to the same specs. and supplied in lesser numbers but only to the MR. I am willing to send photocopies of any of these to anyone interested if they contact me on jjhilton@internode.on.net bearing in mind I am in Australia and snail mail may take some time.

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