Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

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Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by CVR1865 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:39 pm

Hello
I have for some time been building a model of white colne station on the CVHR based loosely in the1920-1930 period. Thank goodness for Hornby's J15 has saved the world from me attempting and butchering an Alan Gibson kit. Anyway, this has also given rise to lots of research for me and I have been looking at the CVHR locos as were at grouping:

No1- 0-4-2T think a 14XX (GWR) with GER fittings, all the CVR locos were overhauled at Straford so they all gained GER type fittings, it was similar in appearance to the GERs own T7 tanks. Fairly easy to get there from reference sources and plenty of photos

No2 purchased second hand from Cornwall. Built by Sharp, Stewart and Co Ltd, 0-6-0 apparently capable of 14 wagons works no 2358 and the main focus of this post. Sold on in 1889.

No2,3 & 4 2-4-2T built for CVR by Hawthorn Leslie and very F4 ish in appearance.

No5 Hudswell Clarke 0-6-2T

So going back to No2 as was, before being sold on to South Hetton Colliery. I can't find any pictures of this loco at work on the CVR and don't know what it might have looked like to be able to look at recreating it in oo. Can anyone help please? this is the technical info:

"The Colne Valley Railway named it Haverhill. It was repainted Green and a weather board was fitted for the crew when running bunker first. The dimensions were:

Cylinders 2 outside: 16.5x 20 in
Wheels: 3ft 6in
Heating surface:
Firebox: 70.7sqft
Tubes: 752.8sqft
Total: 823.5sqft
Grate Area: 10.8sqft
Boiler pressure: 140lbper sq in
weight in working order: 30Tons 16cwt"
taken from Colne Valley pictorial survey, 1983 Apex Publications Cambridge.
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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by 65447 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:23 pm

I understood that No. 2 was named 'HALSTEAD'.

There are several photographs of it and the other locomotives in the publication titled 'From Construction to Destruction - An Authentic History of the Colne Valley and Halstead Railway', Edward P. Willingham, Halstead and District Local History Society, 1989, ISBN 0-9513106-2-3.

Photographs cover the period c1900, 1912 and at Stratford in June 1930, so a useful span.

Other sources, which no doubt you have checked, are RCTS Locomotives of the LNER and Yeadon's Register Volume 39 for LNER Class F9, covering Nos. 2, 3 and 4, on the last page of which are two photographs of No.2 circa 1912 and 1924.

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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by CVR1865 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:46 pm

Hi,
Thanks for the reply, sorry perhaps I wasn't clear. Absolutely right no2 Halstead 2-4-2 lovely number. I am trying to find out about its predecessor 0-6-0 tank and named Haverhill, moved onto another colliery before the new 2-4-2s arrive.

Thanks for replying and those resources are indeed excellent.
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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by 65447 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:14 am

I've had another look in the Edward P Willingham book. There are a few photographs of earlier locomotives but the details are much more scanty. None appear to be 0-6-0Ts but rather 2-4-0Ts and were purchased from Manning Wardle of Leeds in 1861, 1862 and 1863 and named 'BREWSTER', 'COLNE' and 'HALSTEAD' respectively, according to the text, the latter two said to be similar to 'BREWSTER' which is photographed on p48. There was also a Beyer Peacock 0-4-2 Saddle Tank of 1860 purchased by the CVHR c1890, but with no name mentioned, photographed on the same page.

Prior to that is only mention of the Contractor's small locomotives and of two very old ones purchased from other companies. There is photographed a 2-2-2 Well Tank dating from the early 1840s purchased in 1860 from the LBSCR.

The accompanying text (comprising just two paragraphs) is quite unedifying.

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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by CVR1865 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:50 pm

Thank you.
I have numerous other books in the line, including one by whitehead and Simpson detailing their visit to the line in the 1950s. They uncovered detail and a photo of an ex metropolitan railway EMU that the line bought and converted to carriages but no photos of Haverhill (the engine).

It's a shame.

Thanks again
Simon
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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by CVR1865 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:12 pm

Found it.
Credit must go to the seller on eBay and as such I provide a link not a copy of the image.
https://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sharp-Stewart- ... Ciid%253A1
The second is from google images via RM web.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... ng/page-90

Woohoo. Now onto modifying some ready to run.
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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by killian keane » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:47 am

I would suggest that the great western tank was a 517 not a 14xx, I am unaware of any of the latter being sold (great western interloper on the LNER forum! :D)

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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by CVR1865 » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:56 am

Killian
That’s a top shout, now is there a conversion from 14xx to 517 or any kits out there?

Thanks
Simon
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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by richard » Sun Nov 26, 2017 8:03 pm

There's a photo of CVHR No. 1 on these pages!

https://www.lner.info/locos/Z/cvhr.php

My information (which will be based on the RCTS book) says it was built by Neilson and delivered from them.

"Similar to Johnson 0-4-2Ts built by the GER".
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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by DS239 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:28 pm

CVR1865 wrote:
Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:56 am
Killian
That’s a top shout, now is there a conversion from 14xx to 517 or any kits out there?

Thanks
Simon
Not that I know of, but have you seen this..? http://www.gwr.org.uk/pro517.html

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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by CVR1865 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:16 pm

That’s brilliant. Thank you.
So onto finding pictures of CVR no 1 and no2

I shall return with photographs.
Thank you
Simon
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Re: Colne Valley Railway Locomotives

Post by killian keane » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:16 pm

There is an illustration of the original George England 2-4-0 tank locos nos 1 & 2 in minor railways of England and their locomotives, they had outside cylinders and crosshead driven water pumps, cylinders were 11"x16" coupled wheels were 3' 8" leading wheels 3' total wheelbase 10' total heating surface 700 sq ft grate area 8 1/2 sq ft working pressure 120lb psi weight 17 tons in working order, these were sent elsewhere by 1861 when they were replaced by a Sharp Roberts 2-2-2wt which had two indide cylinders 15"x 22" leading and trailing wheels 3' 8" and drivers 6'6", this loco was supplemented with a long boiler by kitson and Laird which came from the East Kent rly built in 1841, she had cylinders 14"x 22" driving wheels 4'6" , and leading wheels 3'
P.s if you're modelling the 517, be careful to aquire as many photographs as possible, this class was notorious for hardly having two members identical

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