Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by MikeTrice » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:33 am

Does this help. Still awaiting lettering.
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I really must finish these one day.

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by jwealleans » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:59 am

Some colour footage here starting at 6:29.

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by MikeTrice » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:13 am

I really must get around to finishing these. Lettering not added yet:
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Apologies for the double post. Something went wrong posting that day.
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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by sawdust » Mon Jun 18, 2018 11:15 am

Have you been brave enough to take on the observation car Mike?

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by MikeTrice » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:20 pm

No. Have considered 3D printing it.

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by Seagull » Mon Jun 18, 2018 7:25 pm

In the F.A.S Brown book Nigel Gresley Locomotive Engineer, page 156 he describes the coaches as the "reserve 'Coronation' set"
I have always taken this to be the 5th set built as a standby for the streamlined trains and unlettered.

Operationally that would make more sense to me as the 4 service sets would surely be checked and cleaned over the Sat/Sun when the trains were not running. The reserve set would be standing idle mostly on weekdays so it would be convenient to fit experimental equipment over the working week and then try it out out over the weekend.

I don't remember if any of the snapshots taken on the day clearly show the sides of the stock other than the dynamometer car.
If they do and it is part of a Coronation set the 'Coronation' lettering should stand out even if it cannot be read.

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by JASd17 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:13 pm

Alan,

I believe the Hoather images taken on that day do not support the F A S Brown claim.

They clearly show 'Coronation' on the carriage sides.

Unless, those I have are not the record run, given there were a series of brake tests. And when exactly did the tests start, anyone know?

John

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by 65447 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm

JASd17 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:13 pm
Unless, those I have are not the record run, given there were a series of brake tests. And when exactly did the tests start, anyone know?

John
John,

See Norman Newsome's Paper to the Inst Loco Engineers re LNER Carriage Design for details, dates and stock used...

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by Art Dent » Tue Jun 19, 2018 9:59 am

jwealleans wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:59 am
Some colour footage here starting at 6:29.
That is some lovely archive material.

Many thanks,

Art
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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by JASd17 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:47 pm

65447 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:34 pm
JASd17 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:13 pm
Unless, those I have are not the record run, given there were a series of brake tests. And when exactly did the tests start, anyone know?

John
John,

See Norman Newsome's Paper to the Inst Loco Engineers re LNER Carriage Design for details, dates and stock used...
Thanks 65447.

That source was discussed today when I visited the MLS archives at Stockport.

John

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by MikeTrice » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:03 pm

Only two log entries in the Dynamometer Car log book for 4468, one for "Brake Trials" (entry 1639), the second recorded as "High Speed Run" (entry 1640) both dated 3-7-38.

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by Art Dent » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:56 am

I know this sounds like a dumb question Mike, but this mean that the dynamometer care was only used TWICE?

Presumably, it was used again during the exchange trials but with a different (BR) number?

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by jwealleans » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:47 pm

Maybe only twice with Mallard, but I’m sure the NER didn’t go to the trouble and expense of building it for the benefit of the LNER 25 years in the future.

Its regular use over its career would make an interesting study, I daresay.

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by 2392 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:49 pm

jwealleans wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:59 am
Some colour footage here starting at 6:29.
Interesting the two shots of the "Coronation". Insomuch as one was the winter service without the Beaver Tail and the other a summer service with.... As I understand it they didn't use the Beaver Tail observation Saloon in the winter.

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Re: Mallard Record-Breaking run in July 1938 - coaching stock query

Post by JASd17 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:59 pm

2392 wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:49 pm
jwealleans wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:59 am
Some colour footage here starting at 6:29.
Interesting the two shots of the "Coronation". Insomuch as one was the winter service without the Beaver Tail and the other a summer service with.... As I understand it they didn't use the Beaver Tail observation Saloon in the winter.
Even more interesting if the Car only worked the Summer timetable, when one considers when that applied, especially at the September end of the TT. I am guessing the Spring Timetable would be equally appropriate for the Observation Car, but it did not run.

John

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