Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

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Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by MikeTrice » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:18 pm

Just discovered the following video showing Dave Simpson scumbling a full size LNER Thompson Carriage.

https://youtu.be/qg_d9Tim5sM

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by 2392 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:23 pm

Indeed it's quite an education to watch Dave in action scumbling a Thompson. Having seen him at Pickering on the NYMR working on the LNERCA's Thompson TK 1623 a few years ago. One thing though that surprised me was that the various initial layers of paint are emulsion, with the colour getting steadily darker until Dave got the required shade he was after. Once the desired colour/pattern had been achieved the varnish and lettering/numbering were applied.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by sawdust » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:00 pm

MikeTrice wrote:
Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:18 pm
Just discovered the following video showing Dave Simpson scumbling a full size LNER Thompson Carriage.

https://youtu.be/qg_d9Tim5sM
Dave is great to work with, a really nice chap as well.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by Dave » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:06 pm

Interesting video thanks Mike.
All Daves are really nice chaps.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by john coffin » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:23 pm

and obviously, all Dave's are modest too!!!!!!!!! :roll:

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:09 pm

Was about to watch that, but....video unavailable. :(
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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by MikeTrice » Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:10 pm

As you say appears to no longer be available.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by Kestrel » Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:37 am

Just tried it and it's working ok.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by coachmann » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:29 pm

The technique is not the same as I witnessed in the mid 1950's while in Oldham Arts & Crafts school. Decorators had a day release at our school and I was particularly drawn to watching them graining and feathering a largish board. The graining was kind of layered like a 3D effect with knots and associated graining. The grain was drawn out always on one direction either vertically or horizontally. This no doubt trained the decorators to work in either direction on static objects.

I recall the base was a pale cream colour. Light and very dark browns were used and it may have been scumbling paste, which is very slow drying and needs to be. A less expensive scumbling was applied to household interior doors using one shade of light to medium brown on a cream base. Our new house was decorated in this way in 1954. It is good to see some of the old 'arts' are still being passed down so that they will not die out.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:59 am

It occurred to me that the video portrayed only one of the most basic scumbling techniques, not something that emulates the many features of real wood.
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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by sawdust » Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:41 pm

I can confirm that Dave does use more than the one technique and the effect is built up in layers.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by MikeTrice » Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:43 pm

Here is one he prepared earlier:
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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by JASd17 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:55 am

The graining on show in Mike T's photo would not have been done 'off the cuff' surely?

There must have been old teak panels/carriages or other things to work from?

It is clear in the photo that separate panels were in the thought process, not an overall effect, at least in this version.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by sawdust » Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:51 pm

Indeed and there are in fact drawings showing how the faux teak panels are to be laid out on the sides. Adjoining panels cannot be worked on simultaneously due the the need to mask off the ends. The actual grain pattern is just down to artistry.

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Re: Scumbling a steel panelled LNER Carriage

Post by MikeTrice » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:19 pm

Following on from Sawdust's previous post here is an example from one of those drawings.
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