GCR coach

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upney sidings
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GCR coach

Post by upney sidings » Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:49 pm

A recently acquired negative, image attached, features Holden F7 no. 8307 near Quainton Road whilst operating on the Verney Jct. - Aylesbury service.

I have a pretty detailed story for the loco and a friend has gathered together some useful background regarding the coach but does anyone on this forum have more data on it than the following, please?

"As to the coach, it is of GCR origin and either an Open Van Composite Push-Pull or Open Van Third Push Pull. The two types seem to have shared identical external body shells and therefore I can't differentiate any further though perhaps somebody else can. This information is from the recent Hugh Longworth book on BR Pre Nationalisation Coaching Stock Volume 1 GWR & LNER. The book lists two composites and one third. However as this is only the stock taken over by BR I don't know if there were others withdrawn before 1948."

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Re: GCR coach

Post by coachmann » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:48 am

These 60ft 12-wheel push-pull coaches operated the Oldham-Guide Bridge service as well as other branches in and around Manchester.

The GCR built three in 1905 of open saloon configuration to accompany the steam railmotors. With the demise of the railmoors the trailer coaches were adapted for use in push-pull trains Driving trailer 4.5 & 6 became 51904-6 in 1923. I wrote a fuller history of these and other GCR push pull coaches in Delph to Oldham by Goddard and Wells (Foxline).

The models below were built using etched coach sides and ends from Bill Bedford. There were also some GWR push-pull saloons from the railmotor era running on 4-wheel bogies.
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Re: GCR coach

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:05 pm

Do you remember which bogies were used on those models please?
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Re: GCR coach

Post by coachmann » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:39 pm

LMS bogies looked the closest to the GCR ones and so I bought a pair of Hornby's from Peter Spares.

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Re: GCR coach

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:54 pm

Thank you.
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Re: GCR coach

Post by 65447 » Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:15 pm

upney sidings wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:49 pm
A recently acquired negative, image attached, features Holden F7 no. 8307 near Quainton Road whilst operating on the Verney Jct. - Aylesbury service.

I have a pretty detailed story for the loco and a friend has gathered together some useful background regarding the coach but does anyone on this forum have more data on it than the following, please?

"As to the coach, it is of GCR origin and either an Open Van Composite Push-Pull or Open Van Third Push Pull. The two types seem to have shared identical external body shells and therefore I can't differentiate any further though perhaps somebody else can. This information is from the recent Hugh Longworth book on BR Pre Nationalisation Coaching Stock Volume 1 GWR & LNER. The book lists two composites and one third. However as this is only the stock taken over by BR I don't know if there were others withdrawn before 1948."

Mike M.191222_E_LNER_8307_Quainton_Road_10-36.jpg
There were only these three carriages built by the GCR to Dia. 188 and all lasted to BR days, the first being condemned in 1954 and the last in 1959. There is some further information in an article on LNER Push-Pull stock in British Railway Journal 32, Summer 1990.

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