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J25 help
I'm trying to write a oeice on the DVLR, but the books I have are a bit scarce on motive power, most of the steam featured are BR J25's, but one is in LNER (1942) and looks to be 806, would this be right, can anyone help, bar me going to the NRM search engine, where the full registers are on the shelves!
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Hi Mark,
I have had a quick look at my books and have come up with the following.
The company were lent NER 1679 (LNER class X3 2-2-4) and an inspection saloon for the inaugural train.
An early form of passenger transport was a prehistoric multiple unit consisting of two Ford buses coupled back to back; a pmu?
In 1926, the company bought a Sentinel shunter, very similar to the Y1s, but this predated any Sentinels on the LNER, or any other members of the Big Four. It was works number 6076, as far as I can tell, the DVLR did not apply a number to it.
Ex H&BR 0-6-2, LNER 2485, Class N12 was moved to York in the 1920’s or ‘30s for use by the company.
I have seen a comment that J21s, J24s & J25s were the locomotives most suited for working the line.
There are pictures of J25s 65714 (August 1959) & 65677 (undated) on the line.
There is a reference to a special organised by the Branch Line Society which ran on 17/5/58 for which J21 65064 was imported from Darlington.
In the seventies, the company bought a couple of Drewery shunters, D2245 & D2298.
In the late seventies, in association with the NRM, a steam service was introduced mainly using J72 69023 “Joem” but there was at least one other steam loco which had an outing – LNWR “Hardwicke”.
There is quite a good website which is worth looking at –
http://www.dvlr.org.uk/
I have quite a bit of information on the DVLR, please let me know if I can help further. In fact I think that I may have the odd photo which I took in the 1960s, I will have a look.
I have had a quick look at my books and have come up with the following.
The company were lent NER 1679 (LNER class X3 2-2-4) and an inspection saloon for the inaugural train.
An early form of passenger transport was a prehistoric multiple unit consisting of two Ford buses coupled back to back; a pmu?
In 1926, the company bought a Sentinel shunter, very similar to the Y1s, but this predated any Sentinels on the LNER, or any other members of the Big Four. It was works number 6076, as far as I can tell, the DVLR did not apply a number to it.
Ex H&BR 0-6-2, LNER 2485, Class N12 was moved to York in the 1920’s or ‘30s for use by the company.
I have seen a comment that J21s, J24s & J25s were the locomotives most suited for working the line.
There are pictures of J25s 65714 (August 1959) & 65677 (undated) on the line.
There is a reference to a special organised by the Branch Line Society which ran on 17/5/58 for which J21 65064 was imported from Darlington.
In the seventies, the company bought a couple of Drewery shunters, D2245 & D2298.
In the late seventies, in association with the NRM, a steam service was introduced mainly using J72 69023 “Joem” but there was at least one other steam loco which had an outing – LNWR “Hardwicke”.
There is quite a good website which is worth looking at –
http://www.dvlr.org.uk/
I have quite a bit of information on the DVLR, please let me know if I can help further. In fact I think that I may have the odd photo which I took in the 1960s, I will have a look.
The Industrial Railway Society has an article on its site follow this link
http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/51/Derwent.htm
http://www.irsociety.co.uk/Archives/51/Derwent.htm
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Yes, according to that site, of which i have been through, it says of the sentinal
'Despite this initial set‑back, the company maintained its progressive image by purchasing in 1925 one of the early chain-driven Sentinel geared steam locomotives. The LNER was very interested in this vertical boilered locomotive (Sentinel 6076 of 1925 of class CE) and it worked down the line with a dynamometer car on at least one occasion. The principal dimensions were: four 2ft 6in diameter wheels on a 7ft wheelbase; boiler pressure, 275lb per sq in; cylinders, 6¾in by 9in; coal capacity, 10 cwts; water capacity, 300 gallons; weight, 22 tons. However, it was unable to cope with the increased traffic and was sold in 1927 to Thomas Summerson & Sons Ltd, Albert Hill Foundry, Darlington, for £500: Summerson's are now Lloyds (Darlington) Ltd and the loco, derelict by May 1960, was finally sold for scrap to T.J. Thomson & Son Ltd, Stockton, in 1971.'
I belive it was lented to the LNER for trials
It was the first of it's kind to work on British railways, and so the LMS waived the carrige charges, and the LNER the same when it arrived on real metals.
I have picked up another book
The Derwernt Valley Railway
A Progressive Yorkshire Railway b y SJ Reading, published 1975, mine's a 1976 second edition, for £1.00 but looks mint (I paid £8)
'Despite this initial set‑back, the company maintained its progressive image by purchasing in 1925 one of the early chain-driven Sentinel geared steam locomotives. The LNER was very interested in this vertical boilered locomotive (Sentinel 6076 of 1925 of class CE) and it worked down the line with a dynamometer car on at least one occasion. The principal dimensions were: four 2ft 6in diameter wheels on a 7ft wheelbase; boiler pressure, 275lb per sq in; cylinders, 6¾in by 9in; coal capacity, 10 cwts; water capacity, 300 gallons; weight, 22 tons. However, it was unable to cope with the increased traffic and was sold in 1927 to Thomas Summerson & Sons Ltd, Albert Hill Foundry, Darlington, for £500: Summerson's are now Lloyds (Darlington) Ltd and the loco, derelict by May 1960, was finally sold for scrap to T.J. Thomson & Son Ltd, Stockton, in 1971.'
I belive it was lented to the LNER for trials
It was the first of it's kind to work on British railways, and so the LMS waived the carrige charges, and the LNER the same when it arrived on real metals.
I have picked up another book
The Derwernt Valley Railway
A Progressive Yorkshire Railway b y SJ Reading, published 1975, mine's a 1976 second edition, for £1.00 but looks mint (I paid £8)
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the original order gave 14 tonnes per driving wheel, but this was later ammended to 17 tonnesSolario wrote:
I have seen a comment that J21s, J24s & J25s were the locomotives most suited for working the line.
Last edited by silver fox on Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Union Mills did the J25 at one time. I believe Colin Heard rotates his production runs so you would need to phone to see if he's currently making the J25 or if he intends to do so soon.silver fox wrote:Also while I have this thread going, I'll post this in the wrong section!
Do Union Mills do the J25? I got one catalouge from him, but ain't got any more, is it in the current list? Perferably in BR (late)
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I know that this thread seems to have been dormant for a while, but here is some more information re DVLR motive power:
1913 Fletcher 398 0-6-0's. One of these was involved in an accident whilst running tender-first at Layerthorpe 1913. Following an enquiry, further use of tender locomotives was prohibited-this prohibition may have lasted until WW11.
From 1913 to the advent of the Seninel in 1925, nothing nuch is known about the locomotives used, but a BTP (G6) was in use in 1927 and an A (F8) around the same time.
2485, the Hull & Barnsley 0-6-2T, was used for many year until withdrawn in 1938. After that N9 0-6-2T were used.
During the war a J71 was recorded on the line-presumably war time traffic meant that more than one engine was in steam on the line at this time.
It would seem that regular use of tender locomotives recommenced after the war, with J21, J24 and tthen a succession of J25's, though one of Yorks allocation of ex LMS 3F 0-6-T was used on the line on at least one occasion.
J25 65714 was the last of the J25's used, when unavailable an ex LMS 2MT tender locomotive was used.
65714 was withdrawn in Feb 1962, after which 04 and 03 diesels held sway..
I hope that this helps
1913 Fletcher 398 0-6-0's. One of these was involved in an accident whilst running tender-first at Layerthorpe 1913. Following an enquiry, further use of tender locomotives was prohibited-this prohibition may have lasted until WW11.
From 1913 to the advent of the Seninel in 1925, nothing nuch is known about the locomotives used, but a BTP (G6) was in use in 1927 and an A (F8) around the same time.
2485, the Hull & Barnsley 0-6-2T, was used for many year until withdrawn in 1938. After that N9 0-6-2T were used.
During the war a J71 was recorded on the line-presumably war time traffic meant that more than one engine was in steam on the line at this time.
It would seem that regular use of tender locomotives recommenced after the war, with J21, J24 and tthen a succession of J25's, though one of Yorks allocation of ex LMS 3F 0-6-T was used on the line on at least one occasion.
J25 65714 was the last of the J25's used, when unavailable an ex LMS 2MT tender locomotive was used.
65714 was withdrawn in Feb 1962, after which 04 and 03 diesels held sway..
I hope that this helps