60019 Bittern - Tender

swhite01 · Post by **swhite01** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:47 pm

A question posed on another group but I wondered if an answer may be found on here..... What tender is currently behind Bittern...It is corridor but would anyone know the number?

Steve W.

Flamingo · Post by **Flamingo** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:45 pm

In BR days at least, none of the Gateshead A4s had corridor tenders. Bittern's present tender is not a genuine LNER-built corridor tender. When the tender body was being rebuilt on the Mid Hants Railway the loco's owner requested that its tender should look like a corridor one. After all, if you're wealthy enough to own and run your own private A4, you can do more or less what you like with it!

I'm open to correction about this, but apart from the rear connection and porthole I'm not sure that Biittern's tender body does actually have a corridor.

silver fox · Post by **silver fox** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:04 pm

It does indeed have a corridor as per my photo from December below, which is it's only tender it has ever had number 5638

http://www.yorksteam.co.uk/locos/lner/a ... /index.htm

Flamingo · Post by **Flamingo** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:54 pm

According to Yeadon's Register tender 5638 when built was one of the streamlined non-corridor batch. Gateshead A4s did not need corridor tenders. If Bittern now has tender no. 5638 it must have been modified during restoration at the request of the owner. .

60041 · Post by **60041** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:57 pm

Does anybody know if the corridor tender used as the Flying Scotsman spare is still in existence? I know that it was stripped to the frames for possible re-use on the Tornado project, and that the body/ tank was lying dumped at Tanfield about 10 years ago, but it is not there now

silver fox · Post by **silver fox** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:08 pm

Scotsmans second tender, the water carrier?
Bittern has it

Tender Nº5332 – 1928 Corridor Type

Attached to
From
To

A3 2745 CAPTAIN CUTTLE
8/9/1928
to 30/6/30

A3 2796 SPEARMINT
30/6/1930
29/1/1937

A4 4486* MERLIN
13/3/1937
29/1/1948

A4 60034 LORD FARRINGDON
25/2/1948
28/5/1954

A4
60033
SEAGULL
28/5/1954
29/12/1962**

* Nº27, Nº60027

**Locomotive withdrawn. The tender was retained at Doncaster Works, and was attached to Class A4 Nº60009 UNION OF SOUTH AFRICA (in for a General Overhaul 16/7/1963 to 6/11/1963), 6/11/1963 to withdrawal 1/6/1966, when the Tender was not scrapped but was purchased by Alan Pegler and converted into the water carrying second tender for the preserved Class A3 FLYING SCOTSMAN.

(Six Changes of Engine, plus One into preservation.)

I don't think it has been used, and isn't at York at present for the weekend, but it is on the following page

Mid Hants

and for reference Bittern's own tender is;

Tender Nº5638 – 1936 Non Corridor Streamlined Type

The Tender building was obviously not keeping pace with the locomotive building, so this Tender, first attached to Class A3 Nº2752 SPION KOP 23/1/1937 to 27/9/1937, was transferred to Class A4 Nº4464 (Nº19, Nº60019) BITTERN 18/12/ 1937 to withdrawal 5/9/1966. The tender was not scrapped but taken into preservation with the locomotive. (Two Changes of Engine)

For reference;
Mallard has 5670 (as 5642)
Sir Nigel has 5324
Bittern has 5638
UoSA has 5484
Dom of Canada has 5326
Dwight D has 5671
Scotsman has 5325
The water carrier is 5332

swhite01 · Post by **swhite01** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:56 am

Thank you all for your comments..

Steve W