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Restaurant Cars

Post by Dave » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:08 am

Hi all.

A couple of questions ??
- what colour where the curtains in 1st class restaurant cars up to WW11, I'm interested in D10C's.
- where the seat coverings blue as 1st class carriages.

Thanks

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by coachmann » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:59 pm

Good luck with your request. In order to complete my D10C I painted the curtains blue to match first class seating. There used to be a website of Gresley coach interior colour pictures (preserved vehicles) but it seems to have dissapeared.
WEB Gresley D10C diner.jpg

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Re: Restaurant Cars

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by Dave » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:40 pm

Thanks chaps

Great models you both have there.

I was thinking of blue seats and curtains but I thought I would ask first. I'm a bit away from doing the interior yet as I'm making the tables and chairs (a slow job).

At least if nobody else comes forward with any info and I find nothing at the NRM then we should be pretty safe

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by JASd17 » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:02 pm

According to the original Harris, page 70, some of the 10C cars, introduced in 1929, were finished with 'green hide upholstery'. There is a picture of a restaurant car smoking section in the LNER album number 3 - showing leather seating, I don't know which diagram.

I don't know if this helps much.

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by Dave » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:49 pm

Thanks JASd17.

You are right, green morocco leather was used on later GNR and ECJS restaurant cars....I wonder if that was carried in LNER days where leather was used.

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by Dave » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:00 pm

I'm an idiot

You mention in your reply about LNER use.

The NRM have a drawing listed for a 1st class restaurant car seat 6196N dated 1928 (D10C) .....thats next on the list to get, it should confirm if leather or material was used as a covering.

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by jwealleans » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:19 pm

Michael Harris says - I think in more than one place - that first class Restaurant cars had green leather upholstery. FWIW I did my GE Restaurant car like that but with blue curtains much like Larry's.

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by Dave » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:53 pm

There is so much info in drawings, books etc, you tend to forget and take the easy route and ask.

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by Dave » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:24 pm

I've been to the NRM today and looked at the following drawings.

5831N 1st Class restaurant car seats for 9'-0" bodies 5/08/1927 (D10C) - it states - Green antique leather.
This drawing was superseded by
6196N 1st Class restaurant car seats for 9'-0" bodies 22/05/1928 (D10C) - it states - Green antique grain buffalo hide.

So there we have it.....GREEN, sorry Coachman and Mickb.

Now to find out the curtain colour, could it be green??.

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by mick b » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:40 pm

Hopefully Blue :lol: :shock:

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by coachmann » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:50 pm

I'll have a look at my Gresley D10C to seehow securely the body is fitted to the chassis. Afterall, we may as well have it right..... :wink:

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by Dave » Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:23 pm

Update.

So far I have been in touch with the NRM and they have no infomation on curtain colours, we have tried the specifications and upholstery samples, next stop is to find if there is any tender info for the likes of Met Cam (thanks Mike for that).

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by Wavey » Mon Sep 05, 2011 8:21 pm

Dave wrote:Update.

So far I have been in touch with the NRM and they have no infomation on curtain colours, we have tried the specifications and upholstery samples, next stop is to find if there is any tender info for the likes of Met Cam (thanks Mike for that).
Not sure how many Restaurant Cars were built by contractors. A lot of the Dia 10/11/16 variants were built by Doncaster although a couple of Dia 10Bs for the Cromer sets might have been built by Met Cam.
The LNERCA are trying to source a general arrangment diagram for a Dia 10C which has so far proved elusive.

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Re: Restaurant Cars

Post by Dave » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:49 pm

Wavey,

As a fellow LNERCA member PM me with your email and I will send you my photo's of the D10C GA drawing. The underframe GA drawing is not available but I have an underframe drawing with battery box and electric layouts if you want.

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