Flying Scotsman/Bittern Water Tender
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Flying Scotsman/Bittern Water Tender
http://www.pvsonline.com/gallery2/main. ... temId=2491 have a look, it shows it through building at Southall, and testing with Scotsman through to arriving for Bittern
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silver fox
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Did a search to see if there's a propper photo with both tenders, and came across this thread, would the following page be helpful?
http://www.watercressline.co.uk/tw/pages/bittrn25.htm
http://www.watercressline.co.uk/tw/pages/bittrn25.htm
It would be good if we can try to sort this out.
I saw Bittern soon after it arrived on the Mid Hants in 2001. It was still in silver-grey livery as LNER 2509, having been so painted in 1988 when it appeared at the NRM along with Sir Nigel to mark the 50th anniversary of Mallards record 1938 run.
I'm pretty sure that the tender Bittern arrived at the MHR with was the same one it ran specials with on BR in the early 1970s. At that time Bittern was painted blue and carried LNER no. 19, i.e. post-1946 livery. I have pictures taken at York on one of those trips showing the rear of the tender, which was definitely a non-corridor one. This could well have been LNER tender no. 5638 which was a non-corridor variety.
Loco and tender were stripped right down at Ropley. There are pictures on the MHR website showing the tender chassis being overhauled. I don't think this tender chassis ever left the MHR, all the work required was done at Ropley. However, what happened to the tender body after removal from the chassis is not clear. It may be that the existing tender body was beyond repair and a new body had to be built. I don't think it was built by the MHR but a body was refitted to the tender chassis in May 2004. My impression at the time was that ithis may have been a completely new build body to meet the owner's wishes that his engine should when fully restored run with a corridor tender, though it may be that in the meantime between dismantling and reassembly arrangements had been made to acquire the 'spare' ex-4472 water carrying tender and use the body from that.
Either way it would seem that the tender now attached to Bittern is probably a hybrid. The chassis could be that from LNER tender 5638. The body might have come from tbe second tender which was formerly attached to 4472 in the mid-late 1960s, with part of the water space reconverted to carry coal, or it could be a new tender body built to resemble an LNER corridor tender.
I saw Bittern soon after it arrived on the Mid Hants in 2001. It was still in silver-grey livery as LNER 2509, having been so painted in 1988 when it appeared at the NRM along with Sir Nigel to mark the 50th anniversary of Mallards record 1938 run.
I'm pretty sure that the tender Bittern arrived at the MHR with was the same one it ran specials with on BR in the early 1970s. At that time Bittern was painted blue and carried LNER no. 19, i.e. post-1946 livery. I have pictures taken at York on one of those trips showing the rear of the tender, which was definitely a non-corridor one. This could well have been LNER tender no. 5638 which was a non-corridor variety.
Loco and tender were stripped right down at Ropley. There are pictures on the MHR website showing the tender chassis being overhauled. I don't think this tender chassis ever left the MHR, all the work required was done at Ropley. However, what happened to the tender body after removal from the chassis is not clear. It may be that the existing tender body was beyond repair and a new body had to be built. I don't think it was built by the MHR but a body was refitted to the tender chassis in May 2004. My impression at the time was that ithis may have been a completely new build body to meet the owner's wishes that his engine should when fully restored run with a corridor tender, though it may be that in the meantime between dismantling and reassembly arrangements had been made to acquire the 'spare' ex-4472 water carrying tender and use the body from that.
Either way it would seem that the tender now attached to Bittern is probably a hybrid. The chassis could be that from LNER tender 5638. The body might have come from tbe second tender which was formerly attached to 4472 in the mid-late 1960s, with part of the water space reconverted to carry coal, or it could be a new tender body built to resemble an LNER corridor tender.
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silver fox
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If you look at the following page, you will see them coupled together, both the actual tender and 5332
http://watercressline.co.uk/tw/pages/bittrn25.htm
I have shown a photo of Bittern's side corridor tender, and it is not 5332 with a middle corridor
you can just see them both in this one
the pair coupled
http://watercressline.co.uk/tw/pages/bittrn25.htm
I have shown a photo of Bittern's side corridor tender, and it is not 5332 with a middle corridor
you can just see them both in this one
the pair coupled