Does anybody know where I could access clear dimension drawings of the two designs on Gresley's drawing board when he died?
I understand one was a super Pacific, possibly being designated A9.
The other was a super heavy weight 4-8-2.
Gresley designs never built
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Don't know about at Death, but for ones not built, see The History of the LNER pt3, the last years 1939-48, it mentions;
A 2-6-4T 2 cylinder engine for the GE Southend line services, to replace the rather elderly B12s
A 2-6-4T for the GN Suburban services
A 2-8-2T with 3 cylinders for local mineral working in the Nottinghamshire coalfield
A 4-8-2 with 3 cylinders for heavy express passenger trains
A 2-6-4-4 articulated Engine and tender unit a novel idea abandoned in favour of the V2
A 4-6-0 3 cylinder to replace both the K3 and B17
A 2-6-0 3 cylinder simlar to the K3
A 2-6-4T with 5ft 8in driving wheels to give high acceleration on suburban train services, which was nearly built, but for the outbreak of war.
A 2-6-4T 2 cylinder engine for the GE Southend line services, to replace the rather elderly B12s
A 2-6-4T for the GN Suburban services
A 2-8-2T with 3 cylinders for local mineral working in the Nottinghamshire coalfield
A 4-8-2 with 3 cylinders for heavy express passenger trains
A 2-6-4-4 articulated Engine and tender unit a novel idea abandoned in favour of the V2
A 4-6-0 3 cylinder to replace both the K3 and B17
A 2-6-0 3 cylinder simlar to the K3
A 2-6-4T with 5ft 8in driving wheels to give high acceleration on suburban train services, which was nearly built, but for the outbreak of war.
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A couple of comments on this.
First, it would appear that Gresley would have persisted with 3 cylinders (with derived motion) as the norm for most classes, although the rest of the world seemed to be able to make do with 2 (and so did Thompson), except for high powered express locos. I've often wondered whether, at the end, Gresley was ahead of the game, or behind it.
Second, the list of loco types didn't really address the LNER's real need - for modern heavy freight and light to medium mixed traffic locos (think BR/LMS standard 4 and 2 2-6-0s). Remember that the LNER snapped up 200 ex WD 2-8-0s after the war and a scan of any Locoshed Directory will show that probably the majority of the rest were also allocated to ex-LNER sheds.
Finally, what part were the V4s to play in all this? Were they going to be
the all-purpose loco?
First, it would appear that Gresley would have persisted with 3 cylinders (with derived motion) as the norm for most classes, although the rest of the world seemed to be able to make do with 2 (and so did Thompson), except for high powered express locos. I've often wondered whether, at the end, Gresley was ahead of the game, or behind it.
Second, the list of loco types didn't really address the LNER's real need - for modern heavy freight and light to medium mixed traffic locos (think BR/LMS standard 4 and 2 2-6-0s). Remember that the LNER snapped up 200 ex WD 2-8-0s after the war and a scan of any Locoshed Directory will show that probably the majority of the rest were also allocated to ex-LNER sheds.
Finally, what part were the V4s to play in all this? Were they going to be
the all-purpose loco?
Posthumous Gresley designs
Wasn't the P2 a modern fast freight design for instance?
Wasn't Thompson the chief engineer at the end of the war, didn't he think a fast modern freight design was a good idea?
Was it just Gresley's death and the war that stopped Gresley designing one or continuing the designs he had started like P2, V2, V4?
Wasn't Thompson the chief engineer at the end of the war, didn't he think a fast modern freight design was a good idea?
Was it just Gresley's death and the war that stopped Gresley designing one or continuing the designs he had started like P2, V2, V4?
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The P2 was a passenger design for a specific need.
The P1 worked best for slow mineral freight - and dated from the 20s anyway.
Thompson did have a fast freight design - his K1/1 rebuild (which entered production as the Peppercorn K1) followed the GNR/LNER tradition of fast light freight moguls.
For heavy freight, he also added to the various ROD rebuilds - testament to the original design that it was still a viable rebuild. He would have also had a pretty good idea what the war surplus market would be.
Richard
The P1 worked best for slow mineral freight - and dated from the 20s anyway.
Thompson did have a fast freight design - his K1/1 rebuild (which entered production as the Peppercorn K1) followed the GNR/LNER tradition of fast light freight moguls.
For heavy freight, he also added to the various ROD rebuilds - testament to the original design that it was still a viable rebuild. He would have also had a pretty good idea what the war surplus market would be.
Richard
Richard Marsden
LNER Encyclopedia
LNER Encyclopedia
re Thompson
His B1 [bongoes] was a good design as well as the K1/1 rebuild.
It was unfortunate that Thompson came to the job in wartime but, so did Bulleid and the latter was certainly very innovative.
Sorry about getting P2 and P1 confused, too much booze at time of typing.
It was unfortunate that Thompson came to the job in wartime but, so did Bulleid and the latter was certainly very innovative.
Sorry about getting P2 and P1 confused, too much booze at time of typing.
gresley designs never built
Gresley Locomotives is readily available s/h from Nick Tozer books, although nominally second hand the books are generally in as new condition