Push-pull trains

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by Greedy Boards » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:45 pm

Afternoon Guys

thought that I would post some pics of G5 combinations in both NER and GER territories. If I manage to overcome the tecnological challenges, the second image should be from the Bartlow service.

Here's hoping!

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G5 0-4-4T coach combinations in both NER and GER territory
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G5 0-4-4T coach combinations in both NER and GER territory
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G5 0-4-4T coach combinations in both NER and GER territory
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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by bricam5 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:17 pm

7340 was tried on the Hull Paragon to Pontefract, Baghill run but the water was still very low on arriving at Pontefract, even with the extended tanks. I fired it on that run,once.
An L1 was used after about six runs with 7340.
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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by manna » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:04 am

G'Day Gents

The GE coach being used on the Bartlow push pull, reminds me of Hornbys clerestory coach, but with out the clerestory, Hmmm 8)

Great pics of the G5's etc, and I love the comment 'I fired that once' so matter of fact, 60 years after the event :lol: keep it up :mrgreen:

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by earlswood nob » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:43 am

Good morning all
I agree, Manna, a Hornby Clerestory Brake, with the ducket removed would get pretty close.
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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by ten ten » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:43 pm

You might be able use the Hornby GW coach as basis for a NER p/p clerestory coach . The one in existence at Embsay belongs to the Autocar trust andmay give a guide. There's some photos of it in their latest newsletter on the web. I seem to remember seeing a early photo of such a coach coupled to a BTP (G6) tank at Beckhole platform.

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by markindurham » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:34 pm

Those Hornby Clerestories appear to be quite good as a basis for 'period' trains, especially if picked up cheaply. I'm looking to doll a few of 'em up for a NER setup I'm working on; will probably treat 'em to some new Fox bogies & see how we get on from there. Certainly cheaper than hunting down D&S kits on the auction sites, much as I would like to, but they do go for silly prices on occasion... :(

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by Saint Johnstoun » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:16 pm

Hornby's recent Gresley Non Corridor Brake end is easily converted into a Push Pull Driving Trailer. There was an article a long time ago in Railway Record on these conversions - I will try and dig it out.

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by earlswood nob » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:51 am

Good Morning all
It will be interesting to read the article on conversions. I have looked at the Gresley Brake on the Hornby website and it does look a good subject for a push-pull conversion.
However, I'm not sure that I could justify buying a new coach and bashing it into another type. When I do get around to builing the BTP(G6), I think a period coach would look better, this leaved a Hornby Clerestory conversion or an etched kit.
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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by Bill Bedford » Wed Jun 05, 2013 12:30 pm

The NER had two periods of p&p working. From 1905- c. 1928 they used BTPs with either D.116 or D.162 driving brake composites. These coaches all had small round windows in the driving ends, the D.116 were clerestories and D.162 had elliptical roofs. The control gear was removed from these coaches by the late 20s. From 1938 some G5s and number of different carriage diagrams were fitted with vacuum control p&p gear to enable them to take over from the failing sentinel railcars. While some of the original D.162 coaches were refitted with control gear, the D.116 coaches were not reused. Driving coaches from other diagrams were given large squarish windows in the driving end.

If you want to use a BTP for a p&p train you will need one or two D.116 or D.162 to go with it. I'm not sure that D&S ever did either of these or if they could be obtained if they did, but Langley do the D.116.

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by jwealleans » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:03 pm

The D162 driving trailer was DS225. Worth a note to Danny suggesting a rerun if you really want one.

Also note that the Langley kit doesn't include bogies.

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by 65447 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:41 pm

earlswood nob wrote:Good Morning all
It will be interesting to read the article on conversions. I have looked at the Gresley Brake on the Hornby website and it does look a good subject for a push-pull conversion.
However, I'm not sure that I could justify buying a new coach and bashing it into another type. When I do get around to builing the BTP(G6), I think a period coach would look better, this leaved a Hornby Clerestory conversion or an etched kit.
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There is of course the former Kirk kit in 4mm scale from Cooper Craft for something in the meantime:

http://shop.cooper-craft.co.uk/product_ ... cts_id=164

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by mick b » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:07 pm

65447 wrote:
earlswood nob wrote:Good Morning all
It will be interesting to read the article on conversions. I have looked at the Gresley Brake on the Hornby website and it does look a good subject for a push-pull conversion.
However, I'm not sure that I could justify buying a new coach and bashing it into another type. When I do get around to builing the BTP(G6), I think a period coach would look better, this leaved a Hornby Clerestory conversion or an etched kit.
Earlswood Nob
There is of course the former Kirk kit in 4mm scale from Cooper Craft for something in the meantime:

http://shop.cooper-craft.co.uk/product_ ... cts_id=164
Only good for GER area as mentioned earlier. I have a built D162 if you need pictures

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by 65447 » Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:55 pm

mick b wrote:
65447 wrote:There is of course the former Kirk kit in 4mm scale from Cooper Craft for something in the meantime:

http://shop.cooper-craft.co.uk/product_ ... cts_id=164
Only good for GER area as mentioned earlier. I have a built D162 if you need pictures
Not true - used elsewhere than the GE Section.

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by mick b » Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:14 pm

Where then ,never seen listed anywhere else? certainly not ex NER area.

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Re: Push-pull trains

Post by Saint Johnstoun » Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:57 pm

Issue 32, Summer 1990 of British Railway Journal has a very comprehensive article on LNER Push-Pull Coaches and would answer most of the questions asked in this thread.

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