NER Dynamometer Car

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MikeTrice
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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by MikeTrice » Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:46 pm

Here is the pattern of the floor covering. Colours might need toning down a little though.
flooring.jpg

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by MikeTrice » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:05 pm

52D wrote:Does the Autocar have a similar pattern on the clerestory windows?
Totally outside my area of knowledge. You could try contacting the group via http://www.electricautocar.co.uk/

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by Dave » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:16 pm

Mike.......wow

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by JASd17 » Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:57 pm

Can any of this be applied to my query on glazing clerestory roof sections? A topic somewhere on here I think. I just frosted the plastic sides to my insert. I think a lot of the clerestory glass was etched, can it be reproduced for different types?

Having said that, I echo the fact that the whole clerestory got very dirty on ordinary stock.

John

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by MikeTrice » Tue Nov 12, 2013 11:26 pm

JASd17 wrote:Can any of this be applied to my query on glazing clerestory roof sections? A topic somewhere on here I think. I just frosted the plastic sides to my insert. I think a lot of the clerestory glass was etched, can it be reproduced for different types?

Having said that, I echo the fact that the whole clerestory got very dirty on ordinary stock.

John
I have some ideas of reproducing the etched pattern for use in the D&S kit, but am just collecting information at present.

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by Trestrol » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:41 pm

JASd17 wrote:Can any of this be applied to my query on glazing clerestory roof sections? A topic somewhere on here I think. I just frosted the plastic sides to my insert. I think a lot of the clerestory glass was etched, can it be reproduced for different types?

Having said that, I echo the fact that the whole clerestory got very dirty on ordinary stock.

John
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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by MikeTrice » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:21 am

It has been a while since I first started this thread. Since then I have managed to obtain some new images and in some cases better versions of earlier ones and am now in a position to add further information.

On the formation of the LNER the ex NER Dynamometer Car was renumbered and rebranded by the LNER when it became 3591Y. The extent of the original NER lettering covered quite a lot of the vehicle so at this point in time the vehicle was repainted in imitation teak but was lined according to NER practice (with the exception of the ends, and the continuation of the lining along the lower edge of the lower side panels). I believe that the "Painted" date on the solebar reads 9 June 1924. Coincidentally there is a convenient gap in the log book for this period so the first trial run with the DC under LNER branding took place on 26th June 1924 with GN section 4419.

When the DC visited the works to have the bogies changed to the Gresley type, and corridor connections fitted (1928) the vehicle was renumbered to 23591. Only the number panel needed to be changed so the vehicle came out of the works still in lined imitation teak.

When the duckets were added prior to Mallard's run, no further change took place to the body sides, they were still imitation teak with NER style lining.

The vehicle was then subsequently put into storage until 1946 when it appeared as 902502. Once again the only change required to the vehicle at this stage was a change of number and it is now my firm belief that the DC retained its NER style lined imitation teak up to and during the later 1948 interchange trials.

Almost immediately following the interchange trials the vehicle was rebranded for British Railways. This was a more extensive renumbering exercise involving all the waist panels and given the vehicle's age at this point I believe this is when it was repainted in unlined imitation teak (I cannot see BR wanting to go to the expense of lining especially as the final livery was still undecided). The painted date on the coach end can just be made out to be Sept 1948 which again conveniently coincides with a gap in its usage in the log book.

So if my conclusions are correct, the vehicle remained lined in NER style throughout it LNER existance! I now await the brickbats coming my way :D

A chance discovery of an image on flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rumblestri ... otostream/) of the ex NER Clerestory Composite Brake no 818 indicates that it has the same pattern of etched glass in the clerestory as the DC.
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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by mick b » Sat Nov 16, 2013 2:38 pm

Nice work Mike . The bloke in the link doesnt look very happy !!!!!

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by 2392 » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:25 pm

mick b wrote:Nice work Mike . The bloke in the link doesnt look very happy !!!!!
Indeed he doesn't, but on a happier/lighter note, "Oh to have a rake/selection of such coaches with a brake too for use on the NYMR", along with 1621 the North Eastern class M at the NRM. 818 that is, as a rake DC's would be more than a little OTT!
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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by MikeTrice » Sat Nov 16, 2013 3:51 pm

mick b wrote:Nice work Mike . The bloke in the link doesnt look very happy !!!!!
He is wondering how on earth he is going to line his D&S kit!

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by MikeTrice » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:18 pm

I have further abused mick b's photo and in addition to the revised letter spacing, photomagically added the missing lining.
Adjusted and Lined.jpg

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by mick b » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:33 pm

Does give it more character. :D

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by Danby Wiske » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:49 pm

It does look much better with lining.

If only one could apply lining to models 'photomagically'... :(

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by 2512silverfox » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:39 pm

That was how the LNER lined absorbed pre grouping stock when repainted or varnished as teak! No lining below the waist. Lokks good Mike.

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Re: NER Dynamometer Car

Post by MikeTrice » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:49 pm

I was very tempted the thicken the lines a tad but am unsure. In this instance they were sited on the curve which presumably thinned them somewhat. I dread trying this in 4mm.

Out of interest, looking at this photo the clerestory sides look like the original NER dark lake. The ends however are grained teak.

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