Robinson locos of the GCR

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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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Robinson C5 (GCR Classes 8D & 8E) 4-4-2 Atlantics
These four locomotives were an attempt at implementing compound expansion by Robinson. Compound expansion was believed to be a good way of improving efficiency, but it was never very popular in Britain. The most successful implementation was that of Walter Smith who designed the LMS Compound 4-4-0s that survived into British Railways (BR) ownership. Smith introduced this particular system of compound expansion whilst at the North Eastern Railway's (NER) Gateshead Works. In 1898 he rebuilt 4-4-0 No. 1619 as a three cylinder compound expansion locomotive (LNER D19 4-4-0). Robinson was impressed by the reports of this locomotive's success, and ordered two W.M. Smith-compound Atlantics based on his C4 Atlantic. Robinson's experiment may have also been influenced by the Great Western Railway's (GWR) purchase of the compound expansion de Glehn Atlantics from France.
The first two C5s were built in December 1905 and February 1906, and a second pair was built in December 1906.
The central high pressure cylinder drove the leading coupled axle, resulting in the cylinder being positioned far forward of the other two cylinders. Stephenson motion was used on all three cylinders, with a 10in diameter W.M. Smith-pattern piston valve on the central cylinder. The outside cylinders had unbalanced slide valves. All three sets of motion were driven from the rear coupled axle.

The C5's compound expansion resulted in a coal saving of about 2 to 2.5lb of coal per mile, when compared to the simple expansion C4. This slight advantage was negated by the extra cost and complexity of a compound third cylinder. Robinson introduced superheating a few years later, and this produced substantial improvements in efficiency without the complexity of compound expansion. Compound expansion was not developed any further by the GCR.

Just 4 photos in this small collection
Starting here with
258 The Rt. Hon. Viscount Cross GCB GCSI unknown location
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinson Class B5 (GCR Class 8) 4-6-0 "Fish" Engines
The Great Central Railway Class 8 - London North Eastern Railway Class B5 - was a class of 4-6-0 steam locomotives. They were nicknamed "Fish Engines" on delivery, due to their use on the fast fish deliveries from Grimsby to places like London, the duty they were designed for. The last was withdrawn in 1950.
Including this photo in GCR livery on a passenger service
186 on a passenger service unknown location
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full collection starts here with
4686 unknown location
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6072 at Doncaster
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Neil
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinson Class Class B6 (GCR Class 8N) 4-6-0
The Great Central Railway Class 8N - London North Eastern Railway Class B6 - was a class of three 4-6-0 steam locomotives, designed by John G. Robinson in 1918. They were a mixed traffic class. All three examples were withdrawn in November and December 1947.
The first member of the class (No. 416) was built 1918, in the middle of a batch of GCR Class 8A 2-8-0 locomotives and the design had an identical boiler, cylinders and motion to this class. For three years this remained the only example of the class, but in 1921 Robinson built two further examples, with the intention of comparing their performance with his four-cylinder GCR Class 9P design and later decided to produce more of the 9Ps. The 8N was intended as an improved version of the 1A (LNER B8 class) of 1913, which had large inside cylinders and relatively small axleboxes on the driving axles. Although 8N was an improvement of the 1A design, .The 9P design of 1917 had four cylinders, resulting in a more balanced locomotive with smaller cylinders.
Although very competent locomotives, the three examples of this class were non-standard and used on a variety of secondary freight and passenger duties over the former Great Central Railway system. They were eventually replaced in 1947 by members of the B1 class
416 in Great Central Railway livery
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52 in GCR Livery
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5416 in LNER livery
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5052 in LNER livery
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Neil
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinson Class B7 (GCR Class 9Q) 4-6-0s"Black Pigs" / "Colliers' Friends"
The GCR Class 9Q, classified B7 by the LNER, was a class of 4-6-0 mixed traffic locomotives designed by John G. Robinson for fast goods, relief passenger and excursion services on the Great Central Railway. They were a smaller wheeled version of Robinson’s earlier Class 9P "Lord Faringdon" express passenger class (LNER Class B3).
The B7s had short-travel valve gear that resulted in heavy coal consumption. This quickly led to the nicknames of "Black Pigs" and "Colliers' Friends", although they were probably Robinson's most successful 4-6-0 design. Also, it should be noted that their coal consumption during LNER ownership was similar to other 4-6-0s performing similar work.
Including these 2 photos
5481 still with GCR cabside number plate & LNER number on tender
https://tinyurl.com/ycyz644y
459 still with GCR cabside number plate & LNER number on tender
https://tinyurl.com/yckzrz38

full collection of LNER era locos starts here with
5031 unknown location
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5483 at Newcastle?
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Neil
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have added a new collection of photos of Robinson Class B8 (GCR Class 1A) 4-6-0s "Glenalmonds"

The B8 was a smaller-wheeled version of Robinson's B2 Sir Sam Fay class, and were known as the "Glen Almonds" after the prototype locomotive Glenalmond. This first locomotive was built in 1913, one year after the B2 was introduced. A year later, construction of ten further B8s commenced. The B8s were mainly used on goods trains, as well as some slow passenger and excursion services. Initial allocations were to Gorton, Neasden, and Immingham. By 1923, five were allocated to Annesley. With the LNER's construction of further B7s in 1923, the B8s were displaced from the GC section to March to help with the GE Section's shortage of mixed traffic locomotives. The B8's height restriction posed a major problem, and they were returned to the GC Section by the end of 1926.
During the Second World War, the B8s were used on a variety of traffic including heavy goods services and troop trains. They also wandered far and wide, and Glenalmond was sighted in Edinburgh on at least one occasion.

Including this photo of 5446 Earl Roberts of Kandahar double heading another Robinson loco unknown location
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Full collection starts here with
5004 Glenalmond Colwick 6th October 1938
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5446 Earl Roberts of Kandahar
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Neil
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinson designs of the GCR/LNER

Robinson's Class 8G (LNER B9) was based on that of his Class 8F (LNER B4), but with driving wheels that were 1ft 3in smaller. Construction of the ten B9s was started by Beyer Peacock & Co as soon as they finished constructing the ten B4s. Before Grouping, the B9s were allocated to Gorton and Lincoln. The Gorton locomotives worked the main goods duties from Manchester to Marylebone, Hull, and Grimsby; whilst the Lincoln locomotives hauled fast goods services to Manchester. By 1926, the Lincoln engines had moved to Gorton, and in 1927 four moved to Trafford Park. The B9s were principally used on goods trains throughout their lives, although they were sometimes used on stopping passenger services and race specials to Aintree and Haydock Park. After the end of World War Two, they were concentrated in the Liverpool/Manchester area, with allocations to Stockport, Trafford Park, and Liverpool. Mainly used for freight, emergencies occasionally called for them to be used to haul passenger trains between Liverpool and Manchester.

Including this photo of
6106 still with GCR cab side number plate but with LNER on tender
https://tinyurl.com/m5t9sapu

Full collection starts here with
1471
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Neil
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have added a lot of new photos featuring Robinson designs of the GCR/LNER
This collection features Robinson C4 (GCR Class 8B) 4-4-2 Atlantics 'Jersey Lillies'
Anticipating heavier traffic loads, the Great Central Railway (GCR) placed an order for four express passenger engines with Beyer, Peacock & Co. in 1903. For comparison purposes, two were 4-6-0s (LNER B1) and two were Atlantics of GCR Class 8B (LNER Class C4). The locomotives were as identical as possible, including the shallow firebox required on the B1 to clear the rear driving axle. As well as comparison purposes, the similarity in designs was intended to allow conversion of the C4s to 4-6-0s if required. All four engines were based on Robinson's earlier B5 4-6-0s, and featured two outside cylinders, and inside Stephenson valve gear with slide valves.
Traffic loads did not increase as significantly as expected, and when further express passenger locomotives were required, the Atlantic C4s were built rather than the larger B1 4-6-0s. A total of twenty five further C4s were built in three more batches from 1904 to 1906. These were built with deeper fireboxes due to the removal of the 4-6-0 restriction. In 1909 and 1910 the original two C4s were rebuilt with matching deep firebox boilers.
The C4s had classic Robinson looks and quickly acquired the nickname of 'Jersey Lilies' after a contemporary music hall star.
Including this photo of
5263 (right) and 2 GWR locos 8300 & 4934 Swindon shed c1932
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New photos start here with
2900 at Boston
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2919
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6091
https://tinyurl.com/mr2ytxup

Neil
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have added a lot of new photos featuring Robinson designs of the GCR/LNER
This collection features Robinson C13 + C14 Atlantic Tank EngineS
Introduced in 1903, the C13 (GCR Class 9K) was Robinson's first suburban tank design; and is usually considered to be one of his most successful designs. The C13 was based on Pollitt's F2 2-4-2T design, but with a longer firebox and a longer smokebox. The firebox was also deeper, and the boiler lengthened slightly. Interestingly, the saturated C13s closely resembled the smaller 4-4-2Ts which Robinson had previously built for the Waterford Limerick & Western Railway in Ireland. In 1907, the Great Central Railway (GCR) took delivery of twelve 4-4-2T locomotives from Beyer, Peacock & Co. to the same basic design of the 1903-5 Class 9L (LNER Class C13)., but with wider side tanks and larger bunkers. These were given the designation of Class 9L by the GCR, and Class C14 by the LNER.

Including this photo of
67439 Sheffield Victoria September 1958
https://tinyurl.com/5n8sjyjn

Full collection starts here with
LNER era but locos still with GCR cast numberplates on cab side
18 unknown location
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LNER era proper
5018 Trafford Park May 1935
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7425
https://tinyurl.com/47ce87zx

B.R. era starts here with
67420 at Chesham 13th July 1954
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67451 under the wires unknown location
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Neil
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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I have added a lot of new photos featuring Robinson designs of the GCR/LNER
This collection features Robinson Class D9 (GCR Classes 11B, 11C, & 11D) 4-4-0 Locomotives
Within a year of becoming the Great Central Railway's (GCR) Locomotive Engineer, Robinson initiated an extensive programme of locomotive construction and modernisation. The programme started with his Class 9J 0-6-0 (LNER J11) and Class 11B 4-4-0 in 1901. Set against this programme of modernisation, the 11B locomotives turned out to be a throw-back to Parker's earlier Class 11 (LNER D5) design. The 11B had a similar cylinder layout to Pollitt's Class 11A (LNER D6), but replaced the piston valves with slide valves. Although the use of slide valves appears to have been a step backwards, it should be remembered that the D6s were still having a number of piston valve problems which were yet to be eradicated. As such, Robinson was clearly choosing a proven design over a promising but still problematic one. A total of forty 11Bs were built in four batches between 1901 and 1904. Sharp Stewart & Co. built the first three batches, and Vulcan Foundry built the last. Of the forty D9s, only four ever received names. No. 1014 Sir Alexander was named after the GCR's Chairman Alexander Henderson in 1902, after he received a baronetcy. The name was removed in 1913, when a D10 was named Sir Alexander Henderson. The remaining three named D9s were named after royalty, and kept their names until they were withdrawn from service
6021 Queen Mary Mexborough September 1936
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GCR era photos start here
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to
https://tinyurl.com/4f9cd8e4

B.R. era photos start here
https://tinyurl.com/4jway2zb

Neil
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Re: Robinson locos of the GCR

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The GCR Class 9J (LNER Class J11) was a class of 174 0-6-0 steam locomotives designed by John G. Robinson for freight work on the Great Central Railway (GCR) in 1901.
They passed to the London and North Eastern Railway (LNER) in 1923. The LNER classified them as J11 with sub-classes J11/1 to J11/5 because of detail differences.
The whole class survived into British Railways (BR) ownership in 1948 and their BR numbers were 64280–64453. All had been withdrawn and scrapped by 1962

Including this colour photo of
64354 unknown location with the LCGB 'The Midland Limited' rail tour 14th October 1962
https://tinyurl.com/pt7pnjp3

75 new photos starting here with
LNER era
5287 at Retford G.C.R. shed
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to
6119 Retford 3rd July 1932
https://tinyurl.com/5mnxthrc

B.R. era
64283 Retford G.C.13th May 1956
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64451 Retford 9th September 1951
https://tinyurl.com/53jb89eu


Neil
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