Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

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Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by neildimmer » Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:39 pm

Came across this photo in a batch I recently acquired
4831 Durham School Nottingham Victoria 27th August 1939 8 days till WW2 and a civilian with a rifle on duty



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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by JASd17 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:46 am

The photo of 4831 is by T G Hepburn.

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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by 4493 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:22 pm

Fixed bayonet on the rifle too- they don't like it up em Mr Mannering!

Lovely shine on the non gangwayed coaching stock

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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by Kestrel » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:49 am

What do you reckon to that being a spot of photoshopping and the man is a nineteenth century sailor in white trousers?

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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by 2512silverfox » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:16 pm

I remember Gordon saying that the non corridor stock in the photo was just ex works after a refurbishment and being repositioned for its normal duties. The end branding shows that it is a particular set but there is not enough to identify it, or is there?

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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by 52H » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:41 pm

Hi all
During war years my wife's grandad was a signalman at Stell Gill. He said when he was rostered to work night shift, he was escorted to the cabin with an armed Home Guard soldier.

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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by Rlangham » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:46 am

Is the date definitely correct? The Home Guard wasn't created until after the outbreak of war (and is the only explanation I can think of for an armed person in civilian clothing), and the rifle looks to be the type imported across the Atlantic for Home Guard use
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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by John Palmer » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:42 am

If the date is not August 1939 then conceivably the man with a rifle could be LDV/Home Guard. Although possession of a licensed firearm wasn't as strictly regulated in the 1930's/40's as it is today, the Firearms Act 1937 had tightened controls and I have some doubts as to whether the constabulary would have readily granted a licence for a full bore military weapon before the outbreak of the European war. I agree that the rifle looks more like the M1917 that was used by Home Guard units than the SMLE. The bayonet looks the right size for a 1907 pattern with 17" blade. Imagine having one of those on display in a public place today!

If the August 1939 date may be wrong and the sentry could in fact be LDV/Home Guard, then was rolling stock still being outshopped with this high standard of finish in May 1940 when the LDV was formed?

A pity the halftone process has concealed much of the detail that would otherwise be visible.

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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by neildimmer » Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:20 pm

Kestrel wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:49 am
What do you reckon to that being a spot of photoshopping and the man is a nineteenth century sailor in white trousers?


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Re: Gresley V2 & armed guard at Nottingham Victoria August 1939

Post by Hatfield Shed » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:28 pm

John Palmer wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:42 am
...If the August 1939 date may be wrong and the sentry could in fact be LDV/Home Guard, then was rolling stock still being outshopped with this high standard of finish in May 1940 when the LDV was formed?...
The standard of finish is no objection in my opinion. It's mostly handwork - and those employees have to do something - using existing materials stocks to produce a protective finish - which the vehicles require - which can continue uninterrupted following established instructions; while management resource co-opted by government is planning how to implement the directives for war production. Just about everything I have read and heard about the 'phoney war' period emphasises that outside the relatively small number of people engaged in planning, and the armed forces, life for most in the UK went on much as normal.

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