What loco?

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What loco?

Post by Malcolm » Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:52 pm

Just to show I haven't forgotten the GER lads here is one to puzzle over:

Can anyone say what the loco type is?
(On my, Grandad. What big lumps of coal you've got!)

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Re: What loco?

Post by jwealleans » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:32 pm

Looks like a J15 to me.

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Re: What loco?

Post by 52D » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:33 pm

And me J15
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Re: What loco?

Post by Bullhead » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:38 pm

I vote J15 too.
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Re: What loco?

Post by sirbrian » Wed Dec 31, 2008 2:35 am

It looks like a J15 to me too.

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Re: What loco?

Post by mistahjim » Wed Dec 31, 2008 3:37 pm

I'll agree too, J15
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Re: What loco?

Post by CVR1865 » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:05 pm

I say J15 but I bet it is a J14 just to throw us....
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Re: What loco?

Post by 52A » Thu Jan 01, 2009 3:03 pm

A very old and very battered photo, the loco appears to be down a hole, but where and why?
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Re: What loco?

Post by CVR1865 » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:13 pm

Is it the gas explosion that they have a model of at the London Transport museum?
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Re: What loco?

Post by Bryan » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:53 pm

Trying to identify cranes 2 of them.
1 appears to be a manchester built crane but I do not know a builder in Manchester other than maybe Beyer Peacock, did they build any cranes?
Allocation of the nearest crane appears to be either Gateshead or Stratford going by the lettering.
I would probably opt for Gateshead with the word Steam crane underneath. That would more than likely place this incident in the NE.

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Re: What loco?

Post by hq1hitchin » Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:03 pm

Looking at the cab (what's left of it) is it NE style - rather then GE? Certainly a proper mess and no doubt the accident report will be in the Railway Archive, somewhere.
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Re: What loco?

Post by 52A » Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:23 pm

I wish I knew the answer! I think it is in the north east, someone did give the opinion (a long time ago) that it was around Elswick. The photo is mounted on a very battered piece of card, it was found in the back of an old cupboard many years ago.

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Re: What loco?

Post by Bryan » Thu Jan 01, 2009 9:23 pm

Nearest crane is a CRAVENS from Manchester.
I believe that the NRM steam crane that was evicted from its spot at York by the wheel, used to be based at HEATON and is a CRAVENS, could it be the same one?
NER CME 13 Steam Crane built 1907

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Re: What loco?

Post by 52A » Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:33 pm

Using a magnifying glass on the original I am fairly certain that the works plate says...Craven sons/bros Limited, Manchester, the date looks like either 1907 or 1927.

At the extreme right on the bunker the first word starts with either GA (Gateshead?) or DA (Darlington?) with ST (steam?) below.

The loco has right hand drive and looks to have air and vacuum brakes with Dreadnought ejector, screw reverser and combination injectors.

There were coal drops in the Elswick area, could it be in one of those?

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Re: What loco?

Post by 52D » Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:10 pm

Cravens were a Manchester company who built rail and overhead cranes later taken over by Herbert Morris at Loughborough who continued to use the Craven name for a number of years. The Craven factory and the Morris factory also turned out products for each other so you could actually have a Manchester built Morris and vice versa.
Hi interested in the area served by 52D. also researching colliery wagonways from same area.

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