Gresley A3's in the early 1960's

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Re: Gresley A3's in the early 1960's

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Blink Bonny on a four track main line with a golf course behind surely someone on this forum likes A3s and is a golfer.
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giner wrote:
Flamingo wrote:
giner wrote:http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 19608.html

Diamond Jubilee possibly on the down main coming away from New Barnet into Hadley Woods?
That was my first thought based on the curve, but I don't think it's right for New Barnet. Looks a bit too countrified and if it was New Barnet the gasworks should be visible on the left hand side of the curve.
Yes, true enough, Flamingo. I dove in too quickly on that one. On viewing the photo at 200% there seems to be a small station or something to the right rear of the train. So I'm stumped.
Brookmans Park perhaps?
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52D wrote:Blink Bonny on a four track main line with a golf course behind surely someone on this forum likes A3s and is a golfer.

I reckon that's taken from about the same spot not far north of Brookmans Park as the pic of Diamond Jubilee, but looking in the other direction, i.e. it's an up train. More that 40 years since I was in the area but I think there was a golf course nearby.
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The alleged Brookmans Park golf course in the pic is quite close to the track, ive viewed it on multimap and it is set back a lot further. Perhaps it has been moved in the interveening years. Its not really my area so i will leave it to you GNR men to find out more.
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Flamingo wrote:Brookmans Park perhaps?
Not quite convinced about that either, Flamingo. It's been over 30 years, but I don't remember that deep of a cutting that Diamond Jubilee is entering. As I recall, Brookmans Park station area had bungalows fairly close by and the general lay of the land was level with or even slightly below the level of the line. Anyone here been along there lately?
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Flamingo wrote:
giner wrote:http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 19608.html

Diamond Jubilee possibly on the down main coming away from New Barnet into Hadley Woods?
That was my first thought based on the curve, but I don't think it's right for New Barnet. Looks a bit too countrified and if it was New Barnet the gasworks should be visible on the left hand side of the curve.
I reckon he's on the Down Fast between Potters Bar and Brookmans Park, somewhere near that 'obelisk' - a coal tax post - on the embankment on the up side. Could be wrong, but I spent a glorious summer's week there once looking after a pile driving rig when contractors were sheet piling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_tax_post
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giner wrote:
chaz harrison wrote:
giner wrote:http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 19608.html
Re. Centenary at WGC, note also the back of the northbound local turning out onto the down main for the two track section over Digswell Viaduct and on to Woolmer Green.
Was the "slow line" north designated a goods line, so that all passenger trains would be turned out? Presumably this would allow goods trains to "queue up" in the section on the approach to Digswell, to wait for their path through the double track?

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hq1hitchin wrote:
Flamingo wrote:
giner wrote:http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 19608.html

Diamond Jubilee possibly on the down main coming away from New Barnet into Hadley Woods?
That was my first thought based on the curve, but I don't think it's right for New Barnet. Looks a bit too countrified and if it was New Barnet the gasworks should be visible on the left hand side of the curve.
I reckon he's on the Down Fast between Potters Bar and Brookmans Park, somewhere near that 'obelisk' - a coal tax post - on the embankment on the up side. Could be wrong, but I spent a glorious summer's week there once looking after a pile driving rig when contractors were sheet piling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_tax_post

What is a "Coal Tax Post"?
Never heard of this.
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[quote="Bryan

What is a "Coal Tax Post"?
Never heard of this.[/quote]

Quite a few of them still about on the railway, Bryan - certainly by the Down D.C. line near Carpenders Park going into Euston and I remember a Southern bloke pointing one out to me on a ride to Slade Green. They seem to have melted into the backgound:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_tax_post
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hq1hitchin wrote:
Flamingo wrote:
giner wrote:http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 19608.html

Diamond Jubilee possibly on the down main coming away from New Barnet into Hadley Woods?
That was my first thought based on the curve, but I don't think it's right for New Barnet. Looks a bit too countrified and if it was New Barnet the gasworks should be visible on the left hand side of the curve.
I reckon he's on the Down Fast between Potters Bar and Brookmans Park, somewhere near that 'obelisk' - a coal tax post - on the embankment on the up side. Could be wrong, but I spent a glorious summer's week there once looking after a pile driving rig when contractors were sheet piling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_tax_post
I'd agree with this, 'hq1' : - Down Fast not far short of 'Hawkshead bridge', about 1500-ish yards north of Potters Bar station.

Seems quite a few of these various photos of pacifics in the several topics, were taken in this immediate area, looking one way or the other.

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The second Down line to Digswell (where it was controlled by Welwyn North box) was still a permissive Goods line from just outside WGC signal box right up until the 1970s resignalling started impacting here (1973?). So all passenger trains had to normally be on the Down Main from WGC, unless it was essential that one or more of them had to use the second road, permitted once a Block conversion ticket to Absolute working was conveyed between the signalmen, from WGC to Welwyn North.
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Any chance of posting photo links that work?

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robmort wrote:Any chance of posting photo links that work?

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I dont think it is the OP's fault if the link doesn't work well over a year since the original posting, so that is a bit harsh.

You might as well trawl through every forum post with a link to a Fotopic site and post exactly the same comment.
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Welcome robmort.
Appreciate your interest and wishing to see what everyone's been posting about, but if the working of links ceases outside of the poster's control, then, as Strang steel says, it can be daunting to anyone to consider trawling back through several hundred posts to look for, and replace links : And that's if the poster has backup copies of the images, can easily tell which is which (in relation to what each post was about at the time), can find a new hosting gallery they're happy with, enters the images there, and re-posts all the new links; -
AND, they have the time and inclination to go through all that. At present, I certainly wouldn't (luckily I have only posted rather few images at all).

The affair of Fotopic going under has already been mentioned, with all those thousands of images lost and lnks thereto rendered useless, though to be fair, I don't of course know if it is the same sort of fate that has caused neildimmer's many links to cease working at sometime in so many intervening months.
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