The LNER Encyclopedia

Hi All

I have added a new collection featuring the less glamorous Gresley designs.

69880 Gresley A8 Pacific Tank engine Stockton 21/6/1953
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15855.html
63923 Gresley 02 unknown location
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15854.html
63928 Gresley 02 Unknown location
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15850.html
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15846.html
63967 Gresley 02
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15842.html
63972 Gresley 02 Wakefield 1962
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15849.html
64801 Gresley J39 Lostock Hall Mpd 2/11/62
What was a ex LNER loco doing at Lostock Hall? Anybody?
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15840.html
64790 Gresley J39 Crewe Melt shop 9/1963 (Keith Till)
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 59561.html
64747 Gresley J39 (Keith Till)
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 59547.html
65909 Gresley J38 Polmont Shed 20/6/1952 (David Taylor)
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15841.html
67634 Gresley V3 Prarie Tank Newcastle 1960
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15848.html
67635 Gresley V3 Prarie Tank on a Pullman service Doncaster 1959 any clues as to what Pullman this is?
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15853.html
67639 Gresley V3 Prarie Tank unknown location
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15838.html
67639 with wreath on bunker cannot make out location on signalbox, anybody any ideas please?
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15837.html
68990 Gresley J50 Sheffield 22/9/1951 (David Taylor)
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15847.html
62523 Gresley D16 Norwich 27/4/1952 (David Taylor)
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 51107.html
69524 Gresley N2 London Kings Cross 1957
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15852.html


Preserved Gresley N2 47444/69524

http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15844.html
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15843.html
http://www.steamlocomotives.photos.gb.n ... 15851.html

Neil

67639 with wreath, Keilder Forest.

52A wrote:67639 with wreath, Keilder Forest.

Just replied to Neil on another site i do concur with your ID and the signal box has an LNER nameboard.

Neil,

67635 at Doncaster in 1959 - I suspect the Pullman will be the Hull Portion of the Yorkshire Pullman.

Only from vague memory of other possibly-similar photograph(s), but might 63928 be at Grantham?

I don't think I would class either the A8 or D16 as Gresley designs.

StevieG wrote:Only from vague memory of other possibly-similar photograph(s), but might 63928 be at Grantham?

No...wrong type of housing, too spacious and turntable defunct by that time...

Cheers
Robt P.

Bill Bedford said :

don't think I would class either the A8 or D16 as Gresley designs.

I suppose it depends on points of view. If Raven never designed his loco as a 4-6-2T, then the rebuild from 4-4-2T must really be credited to Gresley. Otherwise we cannot credit the A2/2 to Thompson.....!

Get out of that one.....

Well, I dunno about 'Get out of that one' Coachman, because I was tempted last night to say something very much along the same lines as Bill Bedford. The A8 was a Gresley rebuild of a Raven N.E. design as you say, but, surely, therefore, it was a Raven design.Even more so the D16 was a Gresley rebuild of Holden's famous Great Eastern 'Claud Hamilton' class, but, Gresley's was the last in a long series of Great Eastern developments and rebuilds, there is no way the 'Claud Hamilton' and its developments can be called a Gresley design.

But having said that:- all the references give the N2 as a Gresley design - but surely it's a development, not a rebuild but a development of Ivatt's N1. So who designed Gresley's N2 ?

I'll bet you can drive a coach and horses through that one, Coachman ?

rob237 wrote:

StevieG wrote:Only from vague memory of other possibly-similar photograph(s), but might 63928 be at Grantham?

No...wrong type of housing, too spacious and turntable defunct by that time...

Cheers
Robt P.

Fair enough. Only a bit of a guess.

coachmann wrote:Bill Bedford said :

don't think I would class either the A8 or D16 as Gresley designs.

I suppose it depends on points of view. If Raven never designed his loco as a 4-6-2T, then the rebuild from 4-4-2T must really be credited to Gresley. Otherwise we cannot credit the A2/2 to Thompson.....!

Get out of that one.....

Both Darlington and Stratford drawing offices were relatively independent especially when it came to updating their own designs. While Gresley would have had to approve the designs most of the work would have been done at the two works using mainly component already to hand. Indeed Stratford had a tradition of putting bigger boilers into Claud frames that long pre-dated Gresley's appointment as CME.

As we know, railway history is full of who designed this or that when it often came down to the head-mans signature. But there were instances when it went beyond that, like the LMS Royal Scots being referred to by LMS management as 'Improved Castle Class' (Collett Scot???) and the Black Fives being called 'Improved Prince of Wales class' (Beames Black 5???). The Stanier 0-4-4T is probably one of the dafter ones.

coachmann wrote:As we know, railway history is full of who designed this or that when it often came down to the head-mans signature. But there were instances when it went beyond that, like the LMS Royal Scots being referred to by LMS management as 'Improved Castle Class' (Collett Scot???).

Well, no major railway was going to admit that they had to resort to outside contractor to design their flagship passenger express locos.

Good point there Bill......

Someone in LMS management : Collett Scot?

Fowler : Call it whatever you like!

Is 63923 at Grantham? 63928 has got me beat, so far.