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Post by 52D » Tue May 12, 2015 5:43 pm

First test train on the Waverley https://vimeo.com/127574766
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Re: one step closer

Post by Bill Bedford » Wed May 13, 2015 8:42 am

What is the line speed for the Waverley?

There seems to be a substantial cant on some of the curves.

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Post by 52D » Wed May 13, 2015 8:46 pm

Not sure Bill but I did notice the cant myself.
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Re: one step closer

Post by UpDistant » Thu May 14, 2015 11:47 am

The Network Rail Sectional Appendix hasn't been updated yet - last batch of updates 07 Mar 2015.

The Waverley route still ends in Millerhill yard.

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Post by LNER4479 » Thu May 14, 2015 8:30 pm

Great to see. Sobering thought to think that Cl.37 might have run on the original route in its first years of service!
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Re: one step closer

Post by PinzaC55 » Thu May 14, 2015 11:04 pm

About half way through you see the train go through a single track tunnel/bridge. Was that built for the new line ? If so it seems a tad short sighted.

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Post by 52D » Thu May 14, 2015 11:27 pm

The route is a mix of single and double track sections Pinza.
4479 the D67xx and D68xx were not used to any great extent on the route as the early diesels in use included Peaks, EE Type 4s, Brush type 4s and smaller classes such as BRCW and NBL types as well as the Claytons.
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Re: one step closer

Post by 60041 » Thu May 14, 2015 11:46 pm

PinzaC55 wrote:About half way through you see the train go through a single track tunnel/bridge. Was that built for the new line ? If so it seems a tad short sighted.
Many major structures on the line are only single track and I agree that it is very short sighted and false economy. The penny pinching is evident along the whole line. Galashiels is typical: single platform station wedged between two single track bridges / tunnels with no facilities at all - not even a dedicated car park.
There are already calls for the line to be extended south to at least Hawick and possibly (eventually) all the way to Carlisle and it is being said that the long single track sections on the present section will seriously impede traffic growth and limit line capacity to such an extent that it may affect the viability of any future extension. It has already been acknowledged that freight trains will never run on the line as built.
It was a bold and adventurous step to reopen the line and it will do wonders for the economy of the borders, but it is a terrible shame that the line has been compromised by the accountants

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Post by 1H was 2E » Fri May 15, 2015 10:15 am

Only on the basis of letters appearing in the Scotsman online, with all the reservations that may be attached; although the new road bridges may only have single line clearance for rail, the majority, it has been alleged, are built for dual carriageway roads regardless of whether the approaches are single or dual carriageway. Saddling the railways with costs that should be borne by its competitor once again

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Re: one step closer

Post by PinzaC55 » Fri May 15, 2015 3:33 pm

60041 wrote:
PinzaC55 wrote:About half way through you see the train go through a single track tunnel/bridge. Was that built for the new line ? If so it seems a tad short sighted.
Many major structures on the line are only single track and I agree that it is very short sighted and false economy. The penny pinching is evident along the whole line. Galashiels is typical: single platform station wedged between two single track bridges / tunnels with no facilities at all - not even a dedicated car park.
There are already calls for the line to be extended south to at least Hawick and possibly (eventually) all the way to Carlisle and it is being said that the long single track sections on the present section will seriously impede traffic growth and limit line capacity to such an extent that it may affect the viability of any future extension. It has already been acknowledged that freight trains will never run on the line as built.
It was a bold and adventurous step to reopen the line and it will do wonders for the economy of the borders, but it is a terrible shame that the line has been compromised by the accountants
Bizarre ! I wonder who was responsible for that side of things ? When I used to volunteer for Peak Rail and we had a real retired Bridge Engineer there and I think I am quoting him correctly when he said "On a bridge the abutments are 80% of the cost". Since the abutments are the same for a single or double track overbridge you wouldn't think they have saved much.
Edit* I just looked up photos of Stow station and found this interesting article http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/ ... -1-3754627

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Re: one step closer

Post by Bryan » Fri May 15, 2015 8:17 pm

Bill Bedford wrote:What is the line speed for the Waverley?

There seems to be a substantial cant on some of the curves.
Asked the question elsewhere and a reply I got was that it is generally designed for 90mph.
That would explain the high cant value.

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