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Re: A1 Trust New Build Steam

Post by 65447 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:52 pm

Mercator II wrote:The choice currently is down to two options, either Carmine & Cream or Teak. The later is favoured. Now this is where it gets interesting, when asked re fading, Mark said not a problem, been mk3 it won't be painted but over laid with vinyl covers. This gives an option for a full teak effect or scumbled ala Thompson
No such official livery as Carmine and Cream, but it so happens that the NE Area Newcastle Electric Sets were painted in imitation teak then red and cream before being 'toned down' during WW2 to blue and cream. Imitation teak was also used at first for the railcars, which were treated as coaching stock for livery purposes, then red and cream and finally green and cream.

To have teak with full imitation beading on a vinyl wrap (with wraparound ends) on a smooth-sided steel coach will look daft, but with Allatt's dismissal of all things Thompson the post-war unadorned imitation teak alternative is unlikely to find favour with him.

Teak went perfectly with the GN and LNER green locomotive liveries, while Crimson (Lake) and Cream complemented the early BR green. The 'Coronation' blue livery needs a blue locomotive as does the 'Silver Jubilee' need a silver locomotive.

However using a wrap is not new; Rexine was used on the outside of streamlined sets.

It's his train set, so rule 1 no doubt applies.

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Re: A1 Trust New Build Steam

Post by Nova » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:48 pm

i personally don't agree with vinyl wrapped teak as a coach livery. I recall seeing a picture of what looked like a southern slam-door set in vinyl-wrapped teak that looked IMHO tacky and cheap, rather than evoking an image of days gone by. :x

I feel a painted "teak" brown, like on non-passenger coaching stock and Thompson's metal-bodied coaching stock would be a much more sensible option.

I would preferably go with coronation livery, as it's much more eye catching on modern coaching stock than an orangey-reddish-brown and it suits the streamliner look of MK 3 stock
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Re: A1 Trust New Build Steam

Post by 2002EarlMarischal » Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:50 pm

Looks very smart!

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Re: A1 Trust New Build Steam

Post by Nova » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:19 pm

found a picture of the set I was on about, needless to say it does not suit metal bodied stock
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someone send that and the photoshoped 125 to the P2SLC so they can pass it around to members so they have an idea of what it they actually look like before blindly committing to an idea based purely on the fact the LNER ran teak coaches :x

While we're at it for the sake of balance, what about tourist livery, because someone mentioned them being seen as drab or dull, I think not
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I do like the dark brown ends though, I'll have to experiment with that on thompson coaching stock on my layout....when it gets built, any ideas as to what shade it is?
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Re: A1 Trust New Build Steam

Post by Nova » Tue Jan 17, 2017 4:33 pm

2392 wrote:That statement isn't as outragous as it may appear, in so much as there was a batch or two of the "classic" Gresley teaks turned out with steel rather than timber skins. They looked ok in the scumbled and painted beaded/lined teak livery, though looked decidedly odd once painted in B.R. colours as there wasn't any genuine beading on the body.
are there any pictures, or better yet, kits of these? you've peaked my interest
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Re: A1 Trust New Build Steam

Post by 2392 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 6:24 pm

Nova wrote:
2392 wrote:That statement isn't as outragous as it may appear, in so much as there was a batch or two of the "classic" Gresley teaks turned out with steel rather than timber skins. They looked ok in the scumbled and painted beaded/lined teak livery, though looked decidedly odd once painted in B.R. colours as there wasn't any genuine beading on the body.
are there any pictures, or better yet, kits of these? you've peaked my interest
Michael Harris' seminal book Gresley's Coaches [Coaches Built for G.N.R.,E.C.J.S. AND L.N.E.R. 1905-53] has a whole chapter [8] on the subject of Alternatives to teak 1927-43. It has a broadside [works photo?] of a Dia.28 Metro Cammell open 3rd 41463, a Cammell Laird BG 174 and an articulated pair DS195/4 45551-45552 '51 being a brake. Not sure as to the availablities of any kits off hand unfortunately :( .

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