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Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:26 am
by Atlantic 3279
Has anybody managed to find the above mentioned "Harry's not quite model album" please? If so, would they care to share a link? I've drawn a blank.

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:06 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
Really interesting thoughts here gents. Thank you to everyone who has replied!

So follow up question - if it's just LNER vans in a fish train, is it really likely that you only get two diagrams of LNER fish vans in a train...? So more constituent and common user vans required?

What kits/models should I be looking at to add to my fish train (ECML, V2 hauled) - I think my 1946-49 era layout is likely too early for blue spot wagons almost certainly, do I need to look at converting a few of the old Hornby H&B style vans for use in the train...?

I must get a copy of the necessary Tatlow volumes.

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:48 pm
by Woodcock29
My current fish train of 27 vans (mid-late 1930s) comprises:
5 LNER outside frame vans built 1927-32 (D&S)
2 NE (D&S)
3 GC outside frame (D&S)
2 GC 12T long wheelbase (D&S)
2 GN, 5T & 6T (Jidenco)
2 earlier GC (Chivers)
4 LNER 12ft wb (Cotswold and Parkside)
3 LNER Dia 68 (Bachmann)
2 kitbashed 3H to Dia 68
1 other version of LNER, similar to Dia 68 but with single end vent
1 GN vent van

The only vans above not designed for fish traffic are the GN vent van and the 2 GC long wheelbase vans but these two were converted by GC to carry fish.

I have 9 more to add to the train, 3 secondhand NE D&S, 1 more D&S GC long wb van, 2 more D&S GC outside frame, 2 D&S GN 6T and R&E (now from Brassmasters) GC bogie fish van.

Hope this helps.

Also there is a whole chapter on Fish traffic in the first volume of The Great Central in LNER Days by David Jackson and Owen Russell.

Andrew

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:03 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
Brilliant info, thank you.

Lots more work to do!

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:01 pm
by All thumbs
Absolutely salivating here in the corner - pictures please, Andrew!

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:50 pm
by Trestrol
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:06 pm
Really interesting thoughts here gents. Thank you to everyone who has replied!

So follow up question - if it's just LNER vans in a fish train, is it really likely that you only get two diagrams of LNER fish vans in a train...? So more constituent and common user vans required?

What kits/models should I be looking at to add to my fish train (ECML, V2 hauled) - I think my 1946-49 era layout is likely too early for blue spot wagons almost certainly, do I need to look at converting a few of the old Hornby H&B style vans for use in the train...?

I must get a copy of the necessary Tatlow volumes.
The LNER designed new fish vans to dia214 which started to appear at nationalisation. The first diagram of BR "Blue Spots" dia800 is virtually identical although they did not have roller bearings. These would do for the 1946-49 trsin along with some older types.

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:26 am
by S.A.C. Martin
Trestrol wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:50 pm
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:06 pm
Really interesting thoughts here gents. Thank you to everyone who has replied!

So follow up question - if it's just LNER vans in a fish train, is it really likely that you only get two diagrams of LNER fish vans in a train...? So more constituent and common user vans required?

What kits/models should I be looking at to add to my fish train (ECML, V2 hauled) - I think my 1946-49 era layout is likely too early for blue spot wagons almost certainly, do I need to look at converting a few of the old Hornby H&B style vans for use in the train...?

I must get a copy of the necessary Tatlow volumes.
The LNER designed new fish vans to dia214 which started to appear at nationalisation. The first diagram of BR "Blue Spots" dia800 is virtually identical although they did not have roller bearings. These would do for the 1946-49 trsin along with some older types.
That's interesting. So if I modified a few Hornby Blue Spot wagons to have the oil bearing type axleboxes, that would produce a dia214 effectively? Failing that - build the parkside dia 800 wagon?

I note the NYMR has one of these 1948 built wagons being restored.

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:44 pm
by Trestrol
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:26 am
Trestrol wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:50 pm
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:06 pm
Really interesting thoughts here gents. Thank you to everyone who has replied!

So follow up question - if it's just LNER vans in a fish train, is it really likely that you only get two diagrams of LNER fish vans in a train...? So more constituent and common user vans required?

What kits/models should I be looking at to add to my fish train (ECML, V2 hauled) - I think my 1946-49 era layout is likely too early for blue spot wagons almost certainly, do I need to look at converting a few of the old Hornby H&B style vans for use in the train...?

I must get a copy of the necessary Tatlow volumes.
The LNER designed new fish vans to dia214 which started to appear at nationalisation. The first diagram of BR "Blue Spots" dia800 is virtually identical although they did not have roller bearings. These would do for the 1946-49 trsin along with some older types.
That's interesting. So if I modified a few Hornby Blue Spot wagons to have the oil bearing type axleboxes, that would produce a dia214 effectively? Failing that - build the parkside dia 800 wagon?

I note the NYMR has one of these 1948 built wagons being restored.
Yes should be quite easy although the check the side framing as the second BR batch dia 801 had extra external framing.

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:10 am
by S.A.C. Martin
Trestrol wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:44 pm
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:26 am
Trestrol wrote:
Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:50 pm


The LNER designed new fish vans to dia214 which started to appear at nationalisation. The first diagram of BR "Blue Spots" dia800 is virtually identical although they did not have roller bearings. These would do for the 1946-49 trsin along with some older types.
That's interesting. So if I modified a few Hornby Blue Spot wagons to have the oil bearing type axleboxes, that would produce a dia214 effectively? Failing that - build the parkside dia 800 wagon?

I note the NYMR has one of these 1948 built wagons being restored.
Yes should be quite easy although the check the side framing as the second BR batch dia 801 had extra external framing.
Good shout, though hopefully won't affect my builds as I am LNER 1946-49 and there will only be a few of these in the train as a result. :)

Thanks for all your help, gentlemen.

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:44 pm
by harry lamb

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:24 pm
by Atlantic 3279
Thank you.

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:15 am
by harry lamb
Many thanks 'Atlantic' for the generous and friendly response to the information I gave regarding 'Harry Lambs' "Not quite quite model album". I do hope now that yourself, as one of the senior 'big cheeses' in this forum you will ensure that 'harry lamb' will have no further input whatsoever in this "Forum" and strike me from membership. And that means 'Stafnes' also! A former 'alias' as I suffer from the lack of 'password retention'. Thankyou. I will continue as a 'lurker' observing the forum, as I do with the RMweb but my contributions are obviously very limited to both organisations and I do apologise for that. Regards, HL.

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:18 pm
by Pennine MC
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:26 am

That's interesting. So if I modified a few Hornby Blue Spot wagons to have the oil bearing type axleboxes, that would produce a dia214 effectively? Failing that - build the parkside dia 800 wagon?
LNER dia 214 and BR 1/800 are to all intents and purposes the same bar the numbering. The roller bearing aspect is a detail, only some 1/800s were so fitted and it wasn't from new

Re: Bananas and fish ??

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:08 pm
by S.A.C. Martin
Pennine MC wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:18 pm
S.A.C. Martin wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:26 am

That's interesting. So if I modified a few Hornby Blue Spot wagons to have the oil bearing type axleboxes, that would produce a dia214 effectively? Failing that - build the parkside dia 800 wagon?
LNER dia 214 and BR 1/800 are to all intents and purposes the same bar the numbering. The roller bearing aspect is a detail, only some 1/800s were so fitted and it wasn't from new
Good to know, thanks for the heads up. I had better finish the ones I was building!