Peco Bullhead

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by JonR » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:33 pm

Exciting announcement. Even if it has hinged blades its still going to be a big improvement over the HO sized streamline. I've fired off an email to peco though as its going to be pretty useless without matching points. Even just medium radius L & R would do. It would look really odd next to HO scale point work.
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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by Kestrel » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:13 am

With the news of Peco's proposed bullhead track, has anyone seen this on rmweb?

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... pointwork/

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:06 am

The amount of wholly irrelevant twaddle currently being discussed, yet again, by obsessive "we know everything about every kind of track" bores over on RMW, in a thread that is supposed to be purely about the forthcoming new Peco OO bullhead track, appears to have reached record levels....

If any of them have managed to stop being boring for long enough to produce offspring, I wonder if they have even taken the "father of the bride" speech at their daughter's wedding as an open invitation to drone on about technical details of full-size continuously welded flat-bottom rail, heavy concrete sleepers, deep ballasting and Hooke's Law? :roll:
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by Hatfield Shed » Sat Oct 22, 2016 12:08 pm

Meanwhile those of us with a sporting instinct are interested to see if Peco will be stirred into unaccustomed rates of action by the presence of a competitor? Much as JonR above, I feel that just LH and RH comparable to their present medium - or better still large - radius points are likely to best advertise the benefits. And are they going to stick with the constant crossing angle wangle, or attempt something rather closer to prototype?
Atlantic 3279 wrote:... I wonder if they have even taken the "father of the bride" speech at their daughter's wedding as an open invitation to drone on about technical details of full-size continuously welded flat-bottom rail, heavy concrete sleepers, deep ballasting and Hooke's Law? :roll:
I'd prefer that to the one I went to where the FotB was an unreconstructed Something-ist, and gave us the benefit of Marxo-whatsit dialectic on the oppressive institution of marriage. But then I spent much of my career around specialists who couldn't tell you the time, without first explaining the principles of timekeeping mechanisms from the clepsydra onwards; so have a fair tolerance for this kind of stuff.

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by James Harrison » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:16 pm

Life is too short; that particular thread I read as a sort of warning of what happens when you take things just that little bit too seriously.

I'm reserving passing judgement on the track until I have a piece of it in my hands to play with; I really couldn't care about how many bolts there are to each chair or which way the chocks are facing. I just hope either Peco or DCC hurry up with the pointwork!

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:29 am

I certainly agree that pointwork is the vital element in this matter - we could actually make do very easily without any new plain track since the SMP and C&L options already cover that. From my own point of view the most helpful start on any range of points would be general equivalents of the current medium and large radius, R & L. It doesn't bother me whether or not the fixed crossing angle persists, but my stipulation for a "medium" point would be that the minimum nominal radius must not drop below 3 feet, and the "must adhere to real track geometry" pedants claim that a "proper" point cannot satisfy that requirement. Having built perfectly workable and in my view "reasonable looking" points that are as compact as the medium Peco ones, which don't have a tighter radius than 3ft, and which do achieve the necessary exit angle between the two tracks, I don't care whether any new Peco products have "real track geometry" in that respect. I just want to be able, with minimal fuss, to use medium ones as substitutes for existing medium ones or for my hand-built 3ft radius items. Minor trimming of plain track ends or tweaking of alignment to accommodate the new points might be tolerable in some places, but where existing points are shoe-horned in to complex formations I don't want to have to rip the whole lot out and re-design because the new stuff isn't compact enough to fit.

In the end of course, we'll get what Peco think best, and with any luck it will be good enough for us to be grateful for it.
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by teaky » Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:14 pm

Posted over on RMweb.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... try2512029

Looks promising. Particularly nice to see they have moved away from the old style point blades.

I knew that all I had to do was purchase some SMP Scaleway and magically the PECO would appear! :roll:

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by Nova » Sat Nov 26, 2016 12:10 am

teaky wrote:http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... try2512029

Looks promising. Particularly nice to see they have moved away from the old style point blades.
how fantastically convenient given that I don't have any layout to speak of right now.

Now I can have decent track and pointwork without resorting to hand building, not that there's anything wrong with code 100.
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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by Kestrel » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:22 pm

Hatton's have this (SL108F) in stock. £4.50 for one (yard) piece or £100 for a box of 25, saving of £12.50

http://www.hattons.co.uk/246684/Peco_Pr ... etail.aspx

There's a big write up on the track in the January RM on page 79. The sleepers are still overdeep "so as to match the existing code 75 track to avoid any packing when connecting the two".

The inner jaws of the 3 bolt type chairs are reduced in height to allow clearance for deeper wheel flanges.

The price compares to Marcway's price of £46.50 for 10 yards of SMP track.

So the Peco track works out at £4 per yard as against SMP's £4.65 if bought in bulk.

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:04 am

A practical update on this old chestnut here:

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... ?p=2943550


Same topic starts several pages back with various images of the new points in standard form.

More economical on forum image storage space to simply put the link here rather than duplicate the whole content of the curved points test report....
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Peco Bullhead

Post by S.A.C. Martin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:36 pm

I simply do not understand people who spend their entire lives telling everyone who will listen what good modellers they are (but shows us nothing in the way of actual modelling by way of return) to the extent that it's almost "how dare Peco make turnouts that everyone can use" (!!!)

Good post there Graeme but I fear the extremes of modellers make it increasingly difficult for anything reasonable to be heard or observed these days.

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