Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
Moderators: 52D, Tom F, Rlangham, Atlantic 3279, Blink Bonny, Saint Johnstoun, richard
-
- GER D14 4-4-0 'Claud Hamilton'
- Posts: 371
- Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:30 pm
- Location: Scunthorpe, North Lincs
Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
Please bare in mind that I don't realistically have the sort of funds to justify £60 for a single coach, so I'm having to make do with the cheap ones from the railroad range, I am however more than willing to attempt to improve them.
I recently discovered that South Eastern Finecast make flush glazing for the margate teaks and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using them. I'd always had the assumption that the scale-foot thick windows were needed to help hold the body on to the chassis.
additionally if anyone has any pictures of margate teaks with flush glazing it would be greatly appreciated in giving me an idea of how a coach looks once converted.
PS. visted SEF's site. MY EYES! TOO RED!
I recently discovered that South Eastern Finecast make flush glazing for the margate teaks and I'm wondering if anyone has any experience using them. I'd always had the assumption that the scale-foot thick windows were needed to help hold the body on to the chassis.
additionally if anyone has any pictures of margate teaks with flush glazing it would be greatly appreciated in giving me an idea of how a coach looks once converted.
PS. visted SEF's site. MY EYES! TOO RED!
Coalby and Marblethorpe, my vision of an un-nationalised Great Britain in the 50s and 60s: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11905
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
I'm not convinced the flush glazing improves these coaches that much.
Take a look at Atlantic's thread to see what he did with some. I'm not suggesting you hack them about so much. Some of the conversions are fairly simple.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2443&start=3165
Take a look at Atlantic's thread to see what he did with some. I'm not suggesting you hack them about so much. Some of the conversions are fairly simple.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2443&start=3165
-
- GER D14 4-4-0 'Claud Hamilton'
- Posts: 371
- Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:30 pm
- Location: Scunthorpe, North Lincs
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
true, but it's better than having the window recesses a scale foot deep, plus as I said the super detail ones aren't an optionteaky wrote:I'm not convinced the flush glazing improves these coaches that much.
Coalby and Marblethorpe, my vision of an un-nationalised Great Britain in the 50s and 60s: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11905
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
Give one a try and see how you get on. Only when you see things up close can you sometimes decide.Nova wrote:true, but it's better than having the window recesses a scale foot deep, plus as I said the super detail ones aren't an optionteaky wrote:I'm not convinced the flush glazing improves these coaches that much.
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
Nova wrote:true, but it's better than having the window recesses a scale foot deep, plus as I said the super detail ones aren't an optionteaky wrote:I'm not convinced the flush glazing improves these coaches that much.
For me, the flush glazing can sometimes look a little bulbous. I have used it on some SR CCTs and would do so again on NPCS, but on larger windows I'm not a fan. Dave S' suggestion of trying one for yourself seems sensible since they are only £2.50 and easily removed if you are not happy.
When properly treated the old coaches don't look too bad and Atlantic's versions are great examples of this. In fact, I think that particular train looks great both on his thread and in the flesh running on the Grantham exhibition layout.
I'm not sure why you are repeating the point about the super detail ones being an option? That was clear from your original post and that is precisely why I spent time looking through Atlantic's many posts to identify the point where he started to work on some old, too short Hornby Gresleys.
-
- GER D14 4-4-0 'Claud Hamilton'
- Posts: 371
- Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:30 pm
- Location: Scunthorpe, North Lincs
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
teaky wrote:
When properly treated the old coaches don't look too bad and Atlantic's versions are great examples of this. In fact, I think that particular train looks great both on his thread and in the flesh running on the Grantham exhibition layout.
Oh I know, I WAS going to have teaks painted a generic teak brown similar to NPCS until I found the following RMWeb thread
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... thompsons/
safe to say I'll be trying it out on my current rake at some point and on any of the old Bachmann Thompson stock i can get my hands on. same applies to kits.
Coalby and Marblethorpe, my vision of an un-nationalised Great Britain in the 50s and 60s: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11905
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
I can't remember where I read it but there was a recommendation for the best top coat colour when using the Railroad finish as a base. No doubt you can work this out for yourself by experimentation but since someone has already done it that may be a handy shortcut. It may well have been on Atlantic's thread or on Mike Trice's RMweb thread which you linked to.
-
- GER D14 4-4-0 'Claud Hamilton'
- Posts: 371
- Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:30 pm
- Location: Scunthorpe, North Lincs
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
G.W. shade: Seraphim Sepia is a good quick fix for improving hornby teaks straight out of the boxteaky wrote:I can't remember where I read it but there was a recommendation for the best top coat colour when using the Railroad finish as a base. No doubt you can work this out for yourself by experimentation but since someone has already done it that may be a handy shortcut. It may well have been on Atlantic's thread or on Mike Trice's RMweb thread which you linked to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2Y5ntJwM2o
It's not perfect, but it's an improvement over the pale plastic of railroad teaks that I took a step further by sealing in with a decent coat of Humbrol gloss, the one with the golden-brown hue.
it's not the best finish out there, but it's very hard to mess up.
Coalby and Marblethorpe, my vision of an un-nationalised Great Britain in the 50s and 60s: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11905
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
In answer to you original query here is a SEF flushglaze window applied to a Hornby Railroad Coach aperture. In my opinion they could have been deeper still as there is still quite a recess.
-
- GER D14 4-4-0 'Claud Hamilton'
- Posts: 371
- Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:30 pm
- Location: Scunthorpe, North Lincs
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
it's better than nothing and in my opinion somewhat more realistic than the windows being absolutely flush. a little bit of a recess implies it's actually being held in by the wood, rather than seemingly floating in the frame with nothing to stop it popping out at the slightest push.MikeTrice wrote:In answer to you original query here is a SEF flushglaze window applied to a Hornby Railroad Coach aperture. In my opinion they could have been deeper still as there is still quite a recess.
I can understand flush glazing on Thompson coaches, but the gresley coaches seem to have the windows recessed slightly, a little more subtle I admit, but still noticeable.
Coalby and Marblethorpe, my vision of an un-nationalised Great Britain in the 50s and 60s: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11905
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
I agree that Gresley glazing should be recessed. My comment is that after applying the SEF glazing they are still too recessed compared to your photo:
-
- LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
- Posts: 1664
- Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:34 pm
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
Definitely better with the recessed glazing suggested. The big difference was the easily perceived 'in and out' nature of a wood panelled coach side, as compared to the smooth - near flush - appearance of steel panelled.
- Dave
- LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
- Posts: 1690
- Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:33 pm
- Location: Centre of the known universe York
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
Mike,
I've wondered about those glazing inserts, I don't think they are deep enough, glad you tried them.
I've still not tried the Ambis ones I got for the full brake, I must try them and let you know but I think they will be the same as yours.
I've wondered about those glazing inserts, I don't think they are deep enough, glad you tried them.
I've still not tried the Ambis ones I got for the full brake, I must try them and let you know but I think they will be the same as yours.
-
- GER D14 4-4-0 'Claud Hamilton'
- Posts: 371
- Joined: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:30 pm
- Location: Scunthorpe, North Lincs
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
one admittedly risky solution is to carefully cut away the rear "lip" that stops it coming out any further. then carefully glue it at the correct distance, first with a small blob of PVA to hold it steady, then super glue to permanently fix it.
I may experiment with creating my own flush glazing at some point, see if I can do better. I have a theory involving using the side of a Railroad Gresley Teak as a donor, cover the windows with a sheet of styrene with appropriate thickness "insets" to create a suitable recess. drill small holes in the styrene to allow air to pass through and then pair it up with a vacuformer
I may experiment with creating my own flush glazing at some point, see if I can do better. I have a theory involving using the side of a Railroad Gresley Teak as a donor, cover the windows with a sheet of styrene with appropriate thickness "insets" to create a suitable recess. drill small holes in the styrene to allow air to pass through and then pair it up with a vacuformer
Last edited by Nova on Sat Jan 28, 2017 8:37 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Coalby and Marblethorpe, my vision of an un-nationalised Great Britain in the 50s and 60s: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11905
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
36C Studeos, kits in 4MM scale: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=11947
- Blink Bonny
- LNER A4 4-6-2 'Streak'
- Posts: 3946
- Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:21 pm
- Location: The Midlands
- Contact:
Re: Hornby Railroad (ex-Margate) teak coaches and S.E.F. flush glazing.
Ay up!
These look pretty good. TBH i"m not quite sure that the flushglaze is needed but if that is what you feel the need to do then go for it.
As for the colour scheme I used cream for a base with Precision Teak for the top coat.
These look pretty good. TBH i"m not quite sure that the flushglaze is needed but if that is what you feel the need to do then go for it.
As for the colour scheme I used cream for a base with Precision Teak for the top coat.
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!