Rails/Rapido LNER Dyno Car to be made !!

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mick b
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My Dyno Car car with some minor work done.

The end brass etches have been added and painted with Humbrol No 62 Leather as have the Bogie Wheels. The 5th Measuring wheel and buffers have been painted Matt Black and the Toilet window Grey both using water colour, this will allow easy removal if the model is ever sold on (thanks Adrian for that tip).
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greenglade
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That's a nice looking model Mick, good work sir...looks like you have a nice collection to go with it too...:)

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Hi Folks Richard, I feel no need to lavish praise on good models, there are dozens doing that and I have a limited amount of time at my disposal. I do praise others, comments about the SR Maunsells by Hornby on this very topic show that I consider them to be better VFM than the Dyno car. I'm only interested in products that have some relevance to my personal modelling or where I already have done a lot of research. For example the seriously inaccurate Dapol/Hornby Magazine diesel brake tender, which happens to duplicate my 45 year old kit. I had GAs for both body and LNER bogie was ASKED by Dapol to help, which I did by providing the bogie drawings. Sadly I could not find the body set at the time but comments had already been made about the errors on another forum. Not one bit of notice was taken about the errors.
….. Occasionally I come across a project on the forums which catches my eye as it appears seriously wrong at an early enough stage to help, although not really of interest. One such, the SPA now with Kernow, but then an FTG Model. The designer was clearly totally out of his depth and others were telling him so. I made additional comments but the model appeared with all the faults and is now one of the worst VFM items currently available. If there were some point in pointing out errors on models that were made decades ago which would have any effect on tooling or on potential buyers I might do so. Indeed I have made some rather scathing comments to Hornby about their so called IMPROVED WAGONS which were bad originally but now much worse. This probably cost them around £15000 which in their current financial straits is a lot of money and would have gone a long way to tool up two new ACCURATE pre group design PO wagons which are near the top of many peoples wish list.
....Much as I would like to comment on lots of other models, this is the LNER forum, I do elsewhere but some forums do not welcome critics.
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Hi Mick B Do you intend to risk painting the roof sections in a sort of mid grey with a strong hint of maroon. Certainly much more risky than the toilet window in water colour as it might well come off with handling. I'm glad the water colour worked OK, under normal circumstances I would never suggest that but it does give the option of fairly easy removal just like the concours cars which simply get a wash down after filming. They are always bulled up to the eyeballs normally with loads of top quality polish so the weathering comes off in seconds.
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No. :lol: :roll: !!!!
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Coward !! ( Sensible coward, perhaps I should say ) Mind you, if you came to sell it you could make out it is the one and only almost accurate liveried model and commands at least another 50% more dosh. If you get the lining right you could add 100%.Still cheaper than a Golden Age model.
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Well mine arrived today, the later version, as luck would have it I am aiming for 1948 on my layout so it suits perfectly. I think it is a beautifully presented model and while undeniably a lot of money you are getting a lot for it. It certainly holds its own against alternative ready to run purchased items of considerably greater costs. Whether it should be lined or not, whether the toilet window should be frosted or not or even whether the lights should be on or not, for me at least, does not detract from the fact that it looks superb. The level of detail is very impressive and the clerestory roof with the patterned glass looks very effective, particularly when the lights are on.

I would have liked some figures in it but I would assume that it spent a lot of time being moved around while not actually recording data so not having figures in it is probably more appropriate than any normal coach with no figures. I'm certainly not going to take it apart for the sake of fitting a couple.
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Hi Folks Quote "while undeniably a lot of money you are getting a lot for it. It certainly holds its own against alternative ready to run purchased items of considerably greater costs "
... Unfortunately there is a lot you should have got for your money but did not, and the Hornby Maunsell Kitchen diner cars can be had for only a third of the price and are almost equally specialised. They too are unlined but in their case that is correct and no doubt they will be producing fully lined ones in due course. Hornby have even gone to the trouble of making two different bodyshells which must reduce the sales volumes of each by half. I wonder just what the relative production volumes are. Rapido still have two more versions to do, should they so wish, perhaps they will get the liveries correct on those !!
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If one of you gents could please confirm, just to be absolutely clear, the 1948 version was not lined anyway was it?
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Bunkerbarge wrote: Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:14 pm If one of you gents could please confirm, just to be absolutely clear, the 1948 version was not lined anyway was it?
Everything that I have seen suggests that by 1948, between rebranding and carrying the BR number and years of neglect, the lining that is most apparent on the vehicle as photographed behind 4468 in 1938 had gone.
Brian

Anything weird or unusual will catch my interest, be it an express or locomotive

I'm also drawn to the commemorative, let's hope Bachmann will produce 6165 Valour.
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Many thanks for your input Manxman, that was as I understood it.

Unfortunately reading back through this thread it might be easy to fall into the trap of assuming that the discussions regarding the lining might be relevant to both the versions of Dynamometer car currently being sold by Rails of Sheffield. It is a shame that the enthusiasm which some members here seem to want to apply to discrediting the vendor of this particular coach may easily lead to confusion as it would be easy to perceive the whole lining issue as applying equally to both versions of the model. This is despite the fact that I did specify that the coach I was referring to was a 1948 model yet the same bleating about the lining rears its head again as though it was supposed to have some relevance to my own model.

I can only wonder therefore just what "Unfortunately there is a lot you should have got for your money but did not" might actually refer to specifically as regards the 1948 model. It will be interesting to discover whether the "lot" refers to the items which have already been put forward, frosting on toilet windows or whether lighting should be on or off at what particular times of day spring to mind as the main deal breakers so far, or whether there are further skeletons in the cupboard, as yet undisclosed, which will be put forward as reasons to dislike this model with equal levels of passion as has been suggested.

Meanwhile I shall enjoy my own model and continue to get pleasure from watching it taking data readings from my locomotives.
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Hi Folks Depends what is meant by 1948 !! Until September, after the exchange trials finished, the Dyno car was almost certainly lined with the lettering as on the Rapido V2 model, or at least almost the same, only the number having been correctly changed from the 1938 version. Mike Trice has confirmed that it would seem certain that the car was then repainted, or at the very least extensively tidied up and given it's new BR number and lettering, quite different to the LNER style, as he has shown earlier. At this point BR brought the coach into line with other LNER Teak coaches by having no lining ( a la Thompson stock) but still with Faux Teak paint. At this time BR standard coach colours had not been finalized and various trials were taking place to decide the future.
…..The coach was used with Leader in 1949 and some other tests but the new LNER Dynamometer Car had entered service by then and it was withdrawn for preservation about 1954. It was again tidied up and the earlier LNER lettering put back but WITHOUT lining and apart from cleaning and polishing, it would appear has not been altered since. This is why when asked, the NRM staff told Rapido the car had been "unlined before preservation". They either were not aware that it had been lined before late 1948 or the wrong question was asked. Rapido could still do the car in the BR style and could do it as preserved to go with Mallard but neither these 2 versions or the 2 issued had a white roof and it may never have been, even when built. Nor should the wheels be like they are and the recording wheel only appears white in preservation not in the 1938 or 1948 pictures, The toilet window was obscured until the museum decided that it would be nice for visitors to be able to view the facilities, fortunately the NRM fought shy of including a mannequin using them as most people would be aware of their use The Torpedo vents, made of cast iron, were probably Japanned Black originally but no doubt soon became a close match to the roof which was probably oxide brown before weathering. I have still not had a reply to the question posed to Locomotion as to whether the presentation set will be correctly painted, so that is one set the will be relieved not to have to post in the future, bearing in mind their current problems.
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Hi Folks Sorry not to have posted for so long but I had a holiday and found myself unexpectedly looking at the very GER coaches that illustrate the way the LNER would have lined the Dyno Car !! Also very obvious was the appearance of FAUX TEAK on LNER coaches as some had been well protected by overpainting which was peeling off.
One question I would like to pose to anyone who can peer under the coach in the NRM is:- Which way round is the Dynamo ????? So far the pictures of actual models show the pulley towards the middle of the coach but the CADs shown elsewhere show the dynamo the other way round !!!! The latter would seem correct as if the pulley were in the position as the model is assembled, the driving belt would foul the brakegear pull rods. I wonder if this can easily be corrected if it is wrong or if the glue used is of the stronger type making removal difficult. I can't find a photo clear enough to show this.
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Thanks Mike That is how I would have expected although this car is rather unusual underneath. Looking at the photo you have shown it looks to me very much like the dynamo pulley should be nearer the outside of the coach as the wheel pulley is almost in the middle and would surely foul the central rodding especially when the coach is on a curve. The dynamo cover dome in the photo does not look to be as far in as the model although, if it were far enough in in real life, the pulleys would clear the rodding on the other side of the centreline I imagine. Strange that the CAD was incorrect but just as well perhaps.
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