A4s v other Gresley Designs
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:27 pm
by jwealleans » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:41 am
Possibly this ought to go into the Grantham thread, but I do like the picture you've posted there, John. ... All this and not an A4 in sight.
Possibly this ought to go into the Grantham thread,
Agreed Jonathan, but it seems to have taken root.
I can live without A4s, heresy here no doubt.
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A4s are also far from being my favourite locos. I have an A4 or two, and the related W1, plus the fantasy 4-8-2 streamliner simply because they are relevant to the overall LNER picture. Whilst the Bugatti nose apparently worked well as a smoke lifter, it certainly isn't the shape that I would choose for a truly streamlined look. The A4 appearance is at its most nearly tolerable, to my eye, when the original valances are present in full. The combination of the flat fronted nose in conflict with the otherwise three-dimensional streamlining just looks utterly hideous to me when the valances are removed too - it always has looked hideous to me too, from my earliest childhood browsing of an Ian Allen combined volume.....
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also
Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.
Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.
by mick b » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:38 pm
Atlantic 3279 wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:00 am
JASd17 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:03 pm
'Atlantic 3279' in action at the Hartlepool Show, sorting out the shed schedule. 'scottiedog' of this parish to the far right.
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John
Oh dear! Busted....
Mick,
As far as I remember, from over two and a half years ago, I marked out a circular hole for the water filler access, either with a standard pair of compasses, or a proper circular cutter used lightly, or maybe even something round of the right size as a template, then cut out material erring on the waste-side (inside) of the line, then trimmed to final size with a medium size half-round file - all done before fitting the sheet to the tender, but cutting only after imparting some curvature to the sheet. I'm always wary of trying to curve sheets that already have holes or gaps in them, such as GN cab cut-outs, as the sheet near the edges of the cut-out tends to stay flat instead of following the curve!
I had an interesting discussion recently on the question of whether the filler access hole should actually be circular, but not centred over the filler, as I've modelled it, which I think is as per the Isinglass drawing, or whether it should instead be "triangular with very rounded corners". I don't know the correct answer and I haven't had time to look for more evidence.
Thanks . I haven't looked yet hopefully the topping was discarded as on the A4's at some point !!.
Don't like A4's !!!
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by Atso » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:04 pm
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Re the A4 discussion: I find the shape of the A4 fascinating but if presented with an A3 or A4 and asked to pick one, I know what my choice would be!
Edit: I've just seen that my list of people to sit and 'annoy' at Warley has grown by two people!
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Possibly this ought to go into the Grantham thread, but I do like the picture you've posted there, John. ... All this and not an A4 in sight.
Possibly this ought to go into the Grantham thread,
Agreed Jonathan, but it seems to have taken root.
I can live without A4s, heresy here no doubt.
John
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A4s are also far from being my favourite locos. I have an A4 or two, and the related W1, plus the fantasy 4-8-2 streamliner simply because they are relevant to the overall LNER picture. Whilst the Bugatti nose apparently worked well as a smoke lifter, it certainly isn't the shape that I would choose for a truly streamlined look. The A4 appearance is at its most nearly tolerable, to my eye, when the original valances are present in full. The combination of the flat fronted nose in conflict with the otherwise three-dimensional streamlining just looks utterly hideous to me when the valances are removed too - it always has looked hideous to me too, from my earliest childhood browsing of an Ian Allen combined volume.....
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also
Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.
Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.
by mick b » Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:38 pm
Atlantic 3279 wrote: ↑
Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:00 am
JASd17 wrote: ↑
Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:03 pm
'Atlantic 3279' in action at the Hartlepool Show, sorting out the shed schedule. 'scottiedog' of this parish to the far right.
DSC_9753 crop low.jpg
John
Oh dear! Busted....
Mick,
As far as I remember, from over two and a half years ago, I marked out a circular hole for the water filler access, either with a standard pair of compasses, or a proper circular cutter used lightly, or maybe even something round of the right size as a template, then cut out material erring on the waste-side (inside) of the line, then trimmed to final size with a medium size half-round file - all done before fitting the sheet to the tender, but cutting only after imparting some curvature to the sheet. I'm always wary of trying to curve sheets that already have holes or gaps in them, such as GN cab cut-outs, as the sheet near the edges of the cut-out tends to stay flat instead of following the curve!
I had an interesting discussion recently on the question of whether the filler access hole should actually be circular, but not centred over the filler, as I've modelled it, which I think is as per the Isinglass drawing, or whether it should instead be "triangular with very rounded corners". I don't know the correct answer and I haven't had time to look for more evidence.
Thanks . I haven't looked yet hopefully the topping was discarded as on the A4's at some point !!.
Don't like A4's !!!
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by Atso » Wed Oct 25, 2017 5:04 pm
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Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:46 pm
Re the A4 discussion: I find the shape of the A4 fascinating but if presented with an A3 or A4 and asked to pick one, I know what my choice would be!
Edit: I've just seen that my list of people to sit and 'annoy' at Warley has grown by two people!
Steve
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