Hornby Pullman coach bogies

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Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by Graeme Leary » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:19 am

Does anybody know if Hornby produced 6 wheel bogies that could be used to clip in and replace the 4 wheel bogies on their standard production 8 wheel Pullman cars (with metal light pickups preferably) and if so where would they be available from?, assuming of course the profile was correct for a 12 wheel car.
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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by teaky » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:08 pm

Wouldn't they stick out at the ends?

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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by jwealleans » Thu Nov 09, 2017 4:05 pm

It depends where they pivoted them. It’s quite a common dodge on models to offset the pivot point.

I know nothing about them, but were some of these rebogied onto 4 wheel bogies later in life?0

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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by JASd17 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:25 pm

Given the different body shape at the ends of the 12-wheel cars that ran on the LNER in the late 1920s, it would be a compromise, even if the bogies could be swapped.

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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by Manxman1831 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:37 am

Hornby 6-wheel bogies used to be available as spares - differs whether they were for the LMS Dining Car, or for the Pullmans - from the usual places. They were of the clip-in type.
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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by Phil » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:54 pm

Hot news from the loft (good job its raining and little else to do) is that it cant be done. Measurements as follows using comparison between Hornby K type (other 8 wheel Pullmans have the same dimensions as the 'K') and Hornby 12w type.

On the 'K' coach body the distance between the bogie pivot and the outer face of the coach buffers is 44mm. On the bogie the distance between the bogie pivot (at the mid point between the 2 axles) and the bar on the tension lock coupling is 48mm.

On the 12 w coach body the distance between the pivot and the buffers is 50mm. The pivot point on the bogie is central with the middle axle and its distance to the tension lock coupling bar is 53mm.

Swapping the 4 wheel bogies on the 8 wheel car car model for 6 wheel bogies from the 12w one would increase the distance between the cars by 10mm (scale 2' 6") even if the other clearances permitted the swap. The limiting factor is the length of the turnout arms for the close coupling mechanism which would have to be swapped at the same time.

This might not be welcome news for anyone contemplating such a swap but I hope it helps to avoid unnecessary expense.

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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by Graeme Leary » Mon Nov 13, 2017 3:58 am

Thanks for all your responses - due to these 'measurement' issues, I think my best course of action will be to continue trolling ebay and hope I can come across another 2 x12 wheel kitchen cars (picked up one on ebay at an eye-watering price) and a 12 wheel Brake. Only regret is that I was unaware of the 12 wheel cars as essential components of the WPR express when I was in the UK 8 weeks ago - every model shop would have been visited, not just about 20 of them!

Now, anybody thinking of retiring from the hobby with any 2 of Hornby's R4476, R4420, R4384 and an R4477 to spare? - I have the transfers and other accoutrements to make necessary changes to 3rd kitchen 49, 45, 51 and 1st Brake 'Cambria'.

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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by Phil » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:30 pm

I have located 2 x R4476 and sent you a pm (I hope you get it - I have never attempted this before)

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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by Graeme Leary » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:44 am

THanks Phil for your pm - it did arrive but can't find it hence reply through Forum.

Have the 2 R4476 on the way out from Chelmsford plus one bought other bought on ebay arrived yesterday. The Brake 3rd 12 wheeler (R4477) is proving more of a problem and missed out on ebay bid - trouble with nighttime here and daytime over your way. Great service from John Dutfield and they're keeping an eye out for a R4477 for me.

Comparing the 4 wheel bogie and the 6 wheel bogies models, to a layman like me that 4 mm difference you mention is not so obvious but pleased I didn't tackle trying to get 4 or 5 pairs of the 6 wheelers and swap over. Then, I'm sure it would have become very apparent.

Thanks again
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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by earlswood nob » Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:19 am

Good morning all

I am following this thread with interest as I have ideas of making a Pullman train for my LBSCR class L 4-6-4T (shhhhhh, but it used to travel through Earlswood on the Southern belle).

I have three Hornby type K Pullmans, picked up cheap, and they run very well. However, the bogies are 2mm too short (scale 9'6" instead of 10'), and the wheels are slighlty undersize.

I think the 12 wheel bogies were made of wood and were 12' wheelbase. I don't know the wheelbase of the Hornby bogies.

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Re: Hornby Pullman coach bogies

Post by Phil » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:32 am

Looks like you are in luck EN. Hornby 6 wheel Pullman bogies have 48mm wheelbase :D

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