NER Clerestory carriage kits
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Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
David
Much clearer, now a obvious system once the Code is cracked ,and very simple to work out (hopefully ) !!
I havent seen/recived any emails from you for the last two weeks(ish) . If you can send them again, I will be much obliged .
many thanks
Mick
Much clearer, now a obvious system once the Code is cracked ,and very simple to work out (hopefully ) !!
I havent seen/recived any emails from you for the last two weeks(ish) . If you can send them again, I will be much obliged .
many thanks
Mick
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
Last one from you was the 5th Febuary .
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Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
On page 141 of The Last Years of North East Steam by Peter Tuffrey there is a photograph of a V3 on 3 coach down local service stopped at Washington station around 1948. It appears to be a 3 coach set made up of Clerestory coaches. The first is a 5 compartment brake third,BT,
a 8 compartment third, T. I am unable to identify the last coach but it is likely to be another brake third,BT.
The 5 compartment BTs, 87 built between 1902 and 1904, were Dia 77 and the 8 compartment T, 223 built between 1895 and 1906, were Dia 14. Kits for both were/are available from D&S models.
The photograph confirms the view that some of these Dias were in service for at least 40 years but I do feel that they would not have lasted many years after that. The exception of course is that some would have been used on colliery lines.
a 8 compartment third, T. I am unable to identify the last coach but it is likely to be another brake third,BT.
The 5 compartment BTs, 87 built between 1902 and 1904, were Dia 77 and the 8 compartment T, 223 built between 1895 and 1906, were Dia 14. Kits for both were/are available from D&S models.
The photograph confirms the view that some of these Dias were in service for at least 40 years but I do feel that they would not have lasted many years after that. The exception of course is that some would have been used on colliery lines.
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
Apologies for not putting the key to the code in my post yesterday.....and thanks to David for clarifying it all.
Last year I trawled through the NER carriage Diagram books from NERA (5 volumes - 50 diagrams per volume) and noted down any that were 45, 49 and 52 ft non gangway types. I then added roof type, seats and compartments to the list. Finally adding whether D&S, Worsley and, now, Bill Bedford produce/produced kits for them.
Thankfully I put this into a spreadsheet.....so I haven’t lost it If anyone would like a copy I’d be happy to share it.
Jon
Last year I trawled through the NER carriage Diagram books from NERA (5 volumes - 50 diagrams per volume) and noted down any that were 45, 49 and 52 ft non gangway types. I then added roof type, seats and compartments to the list. Finally adding whether D&S, Worsley and, now, Bill Bedford produce/produced kits for them.
Thankfully I put this into a spreadsheet.....so I haven’t lost it If anyone would like a copy I’d be happy to share it.
Jon
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
JonJonBates wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:41 pm Apologies for not putting the key to the code in my post yesterday.....and thanks to David for clarifying it all.
Last year I trawled through the NER carriage Diagram books from NERA (5 volumes - 50 diagrams per volume) and noted down any that were 45, 49 and 52 ft non gangway types. I then added roof type, seats and compartments to the list. Finally adding whether D&S, Worsley and, now, Bill Bedford produce/produced kits for them.
Thankfully I put this into a spreadsheet.....so I haven’t lost it If anyone would like a copy I’d be happy to share it.
Jon
Apologies not needed, well done for taking the time to help everybody.
Yes please re the spread sheet , it will be very useful. Via PM or do you need a email address ?
Mick
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
mick b wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:45 pmJonBates wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:41 pm Apologies for not putting the key to the code in my post yesterday.....and thanks to David for clarifying it all.
Last year I trawled through the NER carriage Diagram books from NERA (5 volumes - 50 diagrams per volume) and noted down any that were 45, 49 and 52 ft non gangway types. I then added roof type, seats and compartments to the list. Finally adding whether D&S, Worsley and, now, Bill Bedford produce/produced kits for them.
Thankfully I put this into a spreadsheet.....so I haven’t lost it If anyone would like a copy I’d be happy to share it.
Jon
Jon
Apologies not needed, well done for taking the time to help everybody.
Yes please re the spread sheet , it will be very useful. Via PM or do you need a email address ?
Mick
I’ll try a PM first - should work.
I will save the sheet as a separate file so it should be quite small file size. (Anyway you don’t want to see the other sheets....trust me!)
Jon
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
Nothing so far !!
I have sent a PM with other email addresses.
thanks
I have sent a PM with other email addresses.
thanks
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
I've been looking too. There's an arc-roof full third (Dia 51/52 or 54 - essentially the same coach, I think, once the Gould's couplers were removed?), still gas-lit, in LNER Album Volume 2, while Brian J. Dickson' Northumberland & Durham Railway Pictorial 1948-1967 has a D.14 clerestory at one end of a train of 4 carriages, and an unidentifiable clerestory at the rear at Sunderland in April 1953; livery is almost certainly brown. My understanding is that these two all-thirds, being next to the engine and outside the front brake carriage, would have been added as strengtheners, and would not be used for much else by this time, only pressed into use every now and then, and spending the rest of the time in warm store.scottiedog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:23 pm On page 141 of The Last Years of North East Steam by Peter Tuffrey there is a photograph of a V3 on 3 coach down local service stopped at Washington station around 1948. It appears to be a 3 coach set made up of Clerestory coaches. The first is a 5 compartment brake third,BT,
a 8 compartment third, T. I am unable to identify the last coach but it is likely to be another brake third,BT.
The 5 compartment BTs, 87 built between 1902 and 1904, were Dia 77 and the 8 compartment T, 223 built between 1895 and 1906, were Dia 14. Kits for both were/are available from D&S models.
The photograph confirms the view that some of these Dias were in service for at least 40 years but I do feel that they would not have lasted many years after that. The exception of course is that some would have been used on colliery lines.
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
That would be very useful, if you would be prepared to send it.JonBates wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:41 pm Apologies for not putting the key to the code in my post yesterday.....and thanks to David for clarifying it all.
Last year I trawled through the NER carriage Diagram books from NERA (5 volumes - 50 diagrams per volume) and noted down any that were 45, 49 and 52 ft non gangway types. I then added roof type, seats and compartments to the list. Finally adding whether D&S, Worsley and, now, Bill Bedford produce/produced kits for them.
Thankfully I put this into a spreadsheet.....so I haven’t lost it If anyone would like a copy I’d be happy to share it.
Jon
(Not that I do not enjoy going through the NERA Books of Carriage Diagrams - excellent if television is boring!)
The only problem is that keep giving me ideas - such as my ..current project...
I really should make more use of available kits and etched sides.
Some of my passenger stock is really poorly representative of the NEA in my timescales.
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
Have you considered doing this for the NERA journal, Jon? Are you a member? I could help out with transforming it into an article if you don't want the faff.JonBates wrote: ↑Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:41 pm Apologies for not putting the key to the code in my post yesterday.....and thanks to David for clarifying it all.
Last year I trawled through the NER carriage Diagram books from NERA (5 volumes - 50 diagrams per volume) and noted down any that were 45, 49 and 52 ft non gangway types. I then added roof type, seats and compartments to the list. Finally adding whether D&S, Worsley and, now, Bill Bedford produce/produced kits for them.
Thankfully I put this into a spreadsheet.....so I haven’t lost it If anyone would like a copy I’d be happy to share it.
Jon
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
That would be very useful, if you would be prepared to send it.
(Not that I do not enjoy going through the NERA Books of Carriage Diagrams - excellent if television is boring!)
The only problem is that keep giving me ideas - such as my ..current project...
I really should make more use of available kits and etched sides.
Some of my passenger stock is really poorly representative of the NEA in my timescales.
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PM is sent with list.
The reasons that I compiled the list were two:
1. I kept forgetting the composition for the sets that I was interested in
2. It keeps me focussed on acquiring and (sometimes) building the correct kits.....to stop me getting distracted by other interesting designs
The inspection saloon of yours is one of those interesting designs that I have resisted.....so far. What a good idea to put a camera in it and use the carriage to actually inspect the track! Food for thought for me......
Jon
(Not that I do not enjoy going through the NERA Books of Carriage Diagrams - excellent if television is boring!)
The only problem is that keep giving me ideas - such as my ..current project...
I really should make more use of available kits and etched sides.
Some of my passenger stock is really poorly representative of the NEA in my timescales.
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PM is sent with list.
The reasons that I compiled the list were two:
1. I kept forgetting the composition for the sets that I was interested in
2. It keeps me focussed on acquiring and (sometimes) building the correct kits.....to stop me getting distracted by other interesting designs
The inspection saloon of yours is one of those interesting designs that I have resisted.....so far. What a good idea to put a camera in it and use the carriage to actually inspect the track! Food for thought for me......
Jon
Re: NER Clerestory carriage kits
Have you considered doing this for the NERA journal, Jon? Are you a member? I could help out with transforming it into an article if you don't want the faff.
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I hadn’t considered an article but I could put something together. I’ll PM you to work out some details.
Oh, and yes I’m a NERA member and yes any help gratefully received!
Jon