Atlantic's works: Wagons galore

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Atlantic's works: Wagons galore

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:44 pm

Withdrawal of free third party image hosting firstly by Imageshack and then by Photobucket have robbed parts of this thread of its originally embedded full-page-width images. It's just as well I have my own records. With the very many remotely-hosted images that I had in this and other threads on this site, the task of progressively replacing them all is massively time-consuming. I apologize for the effect that this loss of images has.

18th Dec 2017.I have now (so far) re-posted many of the earlier Imageshack images direct to the forum. Pages 13 to 65 , from 2010, now have images again, covering work on the last of the early W1 conversions, the streamlined 4-8-2, the first hint of the Bulleid 2-8-2, later aspects of the 04/8 and Thompson O1 conversions, a variety of brake vans (included first use of proper moulds and casting resin), insulated refrigerator vans, plus the beginnings of the A2/3 project. Images after page 211 are also in place. More restorations will follow, thanks to clearance from our webmaster for the direct uploading of the necessary files

Also, added 18/12/17, for anybody who is interested, here's a start on an index for the thread too, so far only covering the first 60-odd pages

Atlantic's Works projects and features index.


Locomotives Pages

Atlantic locos, a simple & effective trailing truck design....................................50
A2/3 Thompson conversion from Bachmann A2 Peppercorn loco, ........................................ various pages 56-83,
A3 Finished, unpainted DJH loco after regauging, 2 images only............................ 5
A4 Bachmann Cartzzi upgrade (fitting better Hornby rear frames to the split-chassis Bachmann A4).......................................................................................................34-36
(further cosmetic upgrades to same loco......49)

B2 (Thompson) from split-chassis Bachmann B1.(finished image only)................. 1
B2 (Thompson) from DMR kit (finished images only)...............................................6
K4 Bachmann K3 with much modified Hornby (Margate) B17 boiler.................28-32
O1 (Thompson) from Bachmann O4 chassis and much altered B1 body, before the Hornby loco was available........................................................................................26
(Starts pages 4-6 of "Bachmann Announce O4" topic)
O4/8 Bachmann O4 with modified B1 boiler and cab..............................................26
(Starts pages 4-6 of "Bachmann Announce O4" topic)
O2 Detailing and finishing a Nu-Cast kit-built example............................................7-8


P1 Gresley 2-8-2 heavy freight (finished image only)............................................... 1
P2 ProScale kit built loco, an auction prchase........................................................16-17
P10 Gresley's never-was 2-8-2T, scratcbuilt chassis and modified Bachmann V1/V3 body..........................................................................................................8-13
R2? Gresley's never was 4-8-2 express loco, streamlined, a "stretched" Hornby A4
.......................................................................................................................21-26


W1 (Streamlined rebuild) from Hornby A4 and SE Finecast parts........................2-5
further examples.................................................... 13-16, 18-20, 32-35


Tenders (Out of the ordinary examples or projects separate from locos)

8 wheel Hornby Railroad tender slimmed down to a non-corridor type............19
GCR Robinson 4000 gallon tender from Bachmann "preserved O4" version......26
LNER 3500 gal tender by cutting down Bachmann 4200 gal type.........29-30
Generally improving the look of the Hornby Railroad 8 wheel tender.......33-35
Making the Bachmann A4 tender look more nearly "correct".......................36



Coaching Stock inc NPCS





Wagons, vans and goods brakes


Fiah van shortened (LNER Parkside kit to earlier version), image only.....53
GCR six wheeled brake from Jidenco/Falcon etched kit...............45-49, 53, 54
GNR standadr 4 wheel brake from McGowan white metal kit............40-43
GNR 8 wheel brake from D & S kit (finished image only).........................38
H & B ventilated refrigerator van from an old Hornby body.....................47-48, 50,52
MS & LR 1880s 25 ton bogie mineral brake (finished image only)...........38
NER V1 brake from Slaters kit (finished image only)..............................38
ditto with added duckets................................................................38

NER V4 brake van, a modified Bachmann Toad E.....................................36-39
Toad B from Parkside Dundas original kit (finished image only)...............38
Toad D from Airfix/Dapol kit .....................................38-39, 53
Toad D improving the old Lima model .......................39-40 and 43-44, 49, 53
Toad E from two Airfix Toad D kits...........................50
casting copies in resin.....................51

NER F10 ventilated refrigerator vans, upgrading the Hornby models...45-49, 53, 54
(fish van "cascaded" version page 48, 52)
Riding (side) lamps for brake vans............................................................54


Mould Making and Resin Casting

A simple A4 double chimney in a mould made from silicone sealant, cast in basic resin from a glass fibre kit.............................................................................25
Toad E brakevan sides, first steps in "proper" resin casting (March 2011).......51
A2/3 master parts, moulds, mould boxes and castings .............................61-62





Back to the Original 2010 Forum entries.......

I've been looking in on this forum for quite a while but making no contributions. I have however been contributing "elsewhere" until the last few days but I've now seen the error of my ways and have been persuaded to sign up to the ranks of the faithful!

I don't have a lot of time tonight to elaborate on the locos in the following pictures, but in brief:

The B2 is almost complete and rather than being built up from the DMR kit is a butchered and re-wheeled Bachmann B1 with Hornby B17 cab shell. I'm doing this job for a friend.

The P1 was last winter's work for my own satisfaction. Hornby 1990s boiler and cab, scratchbuilt running plate, heavily adapted ACE products O2 chassis (not nice to build), a very heavily rebuilt Replica LNER tender, and lots of detail alterations and additions here and there. Mashima 1628D (14 x 16 x 28 flat Can) and Romford 40:1 "open" gears.
STA74269 L rear overview with coal.jpg
STA74273 P1 L side dark.jpg
Please ignore the image file titles - they may puzzle you rather than aid understanding! :?
Last edited by Atlantic 3279 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:25 pm, edited 27 times in total.
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:45 pm

Hmmm, I haven't got the image sizes right, have I?
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Bill Bedford » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:49 am

Atlantic 3279 wrote:Hmmm, I haven't got the image sizes right, have I?
Yes you have. The software produces thumbnails. Readers can click on the thumbnails to get a bigger veiw.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:16 am

Thanks Bill, it's obvious now that you point it out :oops: .
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:57 am

Incidentally Bill, I hear that you make some B2 parts. They don't happen to include a good chimney do they?

I'd also be grateful if anybody can tell me based on firm late fifties photographic (or other) evidence, whether my version of Royal Sovereign has the correct crests on the tender, the correct rear coalplate in the tender, and correct rendition of any other variable features.
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atso » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:25 pm

Hmmm this looks somewhat familiar. Have I seen these somewhere else??? 8)

Still good to be able to admire some very fine work there!

Any more news regarding another Atlantic?
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:42 pm

Apart from adding brake rigging (which I keep forgetting although it is all there in the box), applying name/number/shed plates (on order) and clipping on the vaccum pipes (the owner has those) I believe the B2 is now more or less finished. Here are some newer and possibly better images:
STA74278 l close up loco.jpg
STA74277 l rear overview on bardney.jpg
STA74280 B2 and Mk1 dep bardney.jpg
Last edited by Atlantic 3279 on Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Tom F » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:48 pm

Top notch conversions, something if I actually had skills in this area, would do.

I look forward to seeing more :)
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:40 pm

Whilst I've got plenty of other things to do this summer anyway, modelling and otherwise, and I'm supposed to be starting a daunting "Cock o' the North" in the autumn, I'm slightly tempted to try to fit in a quickie conversion of an A4 to one of these:
W1 finished,deluxe mallard based mock up.jpg
Can't make my mind up whether to take the plunge at all, and whether to pay out for the best Hornby version as the donor model, or whether to go for the cheaper Railroad jobbie with its excessively high aerofoil curve over the coupled wheels. Mine would definitely have to be pre-war garter blue with valances.

Also, if I can persuade others that it can be done to a high standard, I wondered whether anybody else would want one in order to exploit the economies of production of a (very) small batch rather than just a one-off? I don't know what would be considered an attractive price. Of course it wouldn't work if everybody wanted a different era, different livery and different level of final detail, but I'm open to comment.
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by mick b » Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:05 pm

Hi
Wills Finecast already do a quite reasonable kit for the W1. I have built one in post war LNER Garter Blue. A lot easier than trying to kit bash a expensive rtr A4. Nice conversions of the locos shown.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:31 pm

I was already fully aware of the Finecast kit, and can see nothing wrong with building one if that is necessary or is what the individual prefers. However, I don't think it would win on grounds of cost, finish, fidelity to prototype or on grounds of "ease", as the latest Hornby A4 is very nice indeed and only needs straight extensions to its firebox and cab, and a new set of trailing frames and concealed bogie. I can certainly extend boilers and cabs invisibly and build the necessary frames/truck. With care only a rear end "blow in" paint job would be needed.....
But if I'm the only one who sees any advantage in this method I'll just deal with my own requirements.
Last edited by Atlantic 3279 on Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by wehf100 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:01 pm

Hi

I would be with you on the W1 conversion, as I can't abide whitemetal. But seeing the skills on your B2 and P1, I think you could really do justice to the most modern Hornby A4 rather than the railroad edition. Besides overall shape, the new model probably has better cast-in detail than you'd get in an old whitemetal kit too!

look forward to seeing how she goes. When Dapol's N gauge B1 comes out, I may have a go at something much much less drastic to your B1-2 conversion; a B3/3 with the Robinson tender. What's a few inches in bogie wheelbase in that scale!?

Will

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by mick b » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:44 pm

Hi
I look forward to see how you will achieve "invisible" join lines. I have tried without much luck in the past. I wouldnt call it a cheap conversion the decent Mallard is £100 plus I wouldnt bother with the Railroad version no comparison.
Lastly from memory the W1 had a Corridor Tender in LNER days??. The Hornby Mallard is a non corridor version.

cheers

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:38 am

I quite agree that the cost of the original or "donor" model is a major concern, and unlike some examples of A1 Flying Fox which seemed to get down to about £54 around 18 months ago, the (to my mind, body-wise at least) less complex A4 doesn't seem to go for "bargain" prices. That was one reason for considering the Railroad version, although after the "first glance" its deficiencies begin to mount up. Some serious bargain hunting may therefore be required to get this project going. You correctly point out the discrepancy regarding the tender for an LNER period model, and if I use the "nice" version of the A4 model with its correctly narrow-bodied tender then at least the tender body has to be swapped rather than just "corridorised" and re-detailed, but I've already done a bit of thinking about that problem too.
Ideas are still evolving. Only time will tell.
Last edited by Atlantic 3279 on Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by Tom F » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:23 am

Atlantic 3279 wrote:I quite agree that the cost of the original or "donor" model is a major concern, and unlike some examples of A1 Flying Fox which seemed to get down to about £54 around 18 months ago, the (to my mind, body-wise at least) less complex A4 doesn't seem to go for "bargain" prices. That was one reason for considering the Railroad version, although after the "first glance" its deficiencies begin to mount up. Some serious bargain hunting may therefore be required to get this project going. You correctly point out the discrepancy regarding the tender for an LNER period model, and if I use the "nice" version of the A4 model with is correctly narrow-bodied tender then at least the tender body has to be swapped rather than just "corridorised" and re-detailed, but I've already done a bit of thinking about that problem too.
Ideas are still evolving. Only time will tell.
I understand your concerns, Especially when you are paying so much, to then cut up a brand new locomotive!

It takes Gut! :lol:

I personally would be tempted for the rail road version, but understand the accuracy issues to! :(

Whatever you do, I will be watching with interest! :)
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