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Atlantic's works: A proper vintage carriage.

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:44 pm

Withdrawal of free third party image hosting firstly by Imageshack and then by Photobucket robbed parts of this thread of its originally embedded full-page-width images. I apologize for the effect that this loss of larger images has, but all of the smaller images now displayed (reinstated tediously in phases in mid-late 2017 and in late 2018) can be enlarged individually if you simply click on the desired image. Many thanks are due to our webmaster Richard for his granting of clearance for the direct uploading of the large number necessary files

In reinstating the images in two phases in late 2017 and late 2018 I excluded images of the second A2/3 prototype build, between pages 78 and 82 simply to save time and hosting space, similarly some of a second A1/1 conversion later on, these being to some extent repetition of images of the first prototype. I also considered some images of LNER T-shirt designs from 2013 to now be superfluous.

I've also added an informal index / subject list for the thread below. Although I've put the LNER loco classes in alphabetical order, I have for the time being done things differently with the material relating to wagons, vans and goods brakes as well as with the resin casting topics, largely listing those in chronological order and/or in related groups so as to illustrate the development of techniques, the similarities and differences in models etc.
I've attempted to include all relevant items in each applicable category but I am certain to have missed out a few. I'm happy to have any omission pointed out to me, AND EVEN WHEN FINDING ITEMS WITH THE BENEFIT OF THE INDEX IT IS ADVISABLE TO CHECK ONE OR TWO PRECEDING AND ONE OR TWO FOLLOWING PAGES FOR CONNECTED COMMENTS OR INFORMATION.

Atlantic's Works projects and features index.


Locomotives Pages

Atlantic locos, a simple & effective trailing truck design....................................50
A1/1 Great Northern from Hornby Chinese A3 Sandwich.....................................84 onwards
first test model & creating master parts 84-100, mould production and resin casting 93 &100-102, 104
second test model using resin castings 108-110
Additional model by Morgan Gilbert 200
A2/3 Thompson conversion from Bachmann A2 Peppercorn loco, ........................................ various pages 56-83,
improved resin cab casting 202,3 &207
another loco for Little Bytham 227
A2/2 and A2/1 in various places ...................141 onwards....to 166 or beyond.......tender 167
(A2/2, A2/1,resin W1 and V2 developments run in parallel over many following pages)
A2/1 Body from resin V2 cab/boiler unit combined with resin Thompson smokebox and
front running plate.........................................228-9
(including comparison with A2/2 and with similar conversion
of Bachmann V2 body)
shortening rear frames of Bachmann A2 chassis to suit....248
A2/2 Wolf of Badenoch - resin and etched parts plus part Hornby A3 body on Bachmann A2 chassis.........190-202
ADDITIONAL DETAILING ETCHES FOR THOMPON PACIFICS...........................191-192
A3 Finished, unpainted DJH loco after regauging, 2 images only............................ 5
A4 Bachmann Cartazzi upgrade (fitting better Hornby rear frames to the split-chassis Bachmann A4).......................................................................................................34-36
(further cosmetic upgrades to same loco......49)
A4 In LNER green livery, Woodcock assembled from Hornby spares and resin parts...255, 260
B2 (Thompson) from split-chassis Bachmann B1.(finished image only)................. 1
B2 (Thompson) from DMR kit (finished images only)...............................................6
B2,B3,B6,B7,B8,D10,D11,O4/6,O5 resin cabs for large GCR locos, plain and side-window...291
B3 (GCR 9P) Etched and resin loco kit. A basic look at the master part for the boiler...316
(for much fuller details also see viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12925)
(and http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... ?p=3291155)
B4 from a somewhat modified McGowan models kit, image only.........305
B5 from Millholme models kit, as bought "already-built" and then mildly improved..305-307
B17s, old and new Hornby compared.................................................160
C1 Adapted DJH loco with 6 wheel drive for improved haulage ability........241-2, 260, completing the livery 311
C1 No 3279 model by John Edgson, image only..........................303
3279 in N-gauge by Atso, image only....304
D10 and D11, Little Engines and Bachmann/NRM compared......................160
Fitting the Bachmann guard irons and other details.....................162-3
J2 made from adapted J6 resin body parts (see below) and a spare, cut-down Bachmann K3 chassis......................268, 270,275
J6 complete kit in resin, creation of master parts (chassis with Mitsumi motor and nylon gears).........260-262
mould making 262-3, first resin parts 263-4, discussion of RTR chassis possibilities 264-5, building resin bodies 265-6, J6 resin chassis with Mashima motor and High Level gearbox 269, castings in quantity and another look at chassis options 285, a further example built for a friend (with Mitsumi motor and High Level Roadrunner Gearbox) 312
changing from Sharman to Scalelink wheels on an earlier loco, including a simple home-made wheel-puller 314
K2 Resin body, mostly in one piece, to fit modified Bachmann V3 (split axle), K3 or other chassis,
Master body production 249-251, V3 chassis adaptation 251-2, with added details and tender 253-4, mould making 255-6, first resin model assembled 256, further examples 257-60, castings in quantity (and more comments on chassis use) 285
K3 Bachmann chassis - reducing slop, improving running.......................182
K3/2 conversion, Bachmann model with S.E. Finecast etched cab sides and other alterations to portray Darlington features.....................................249
K4 Bachmann K3 with much modified Hornby (Margate) B17 boiler.................28-32
....re-wheeling Bachmann chassis with Hornby L1 wheels.......182
O1 (Thompson) from Bachmann O4 chassis and much altered B1 body, before the Hornby loco was available........................................................................................26
(Starts pages 4-6 of "Bachmann Announce O4" topic)
O4/5 Bachmann O4 with Bill Bedford 3D cab/boiler print....http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6919
O4/8 Bachmann O4 with modified B1 boiler and cab..............................................26
(Starts pages 4-6 of "Bachmann Announce O4" topic)
O2 Detailing and finishing a Nu-Cast kit-built example............................................7-8
O2/1 Heljan O2/3 model converted using GNR resin chimney, dome, cab, tender etc.....279-80

P1 Gresley 2-8-2 heavy freight (finished image only)............................................... 1
(full details of construction at http://rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30240)
P2 ProScale kit built loco, an auction purchase........................................................16-17
P2 Hornby Cock o' the North model, conversions to Earl Marischal and Lord President...234 onwards
first conversion to Walschaerts valve gear 234-5
converting body fronts to form masters for Earl Marischal & Bugatti noses 236-9
first converted models in temporary "finished" livery 239-241,243
pony truck side control experiments 290-1
mould making and cast body fronts for Earl Marischal 292
first full cast resin front for Earl Marischal fitted to a Hornby model 294
blending in new paintwork and original factory finish...................295
Bugatti nose cylinder bulges (inc photos and Tim Watson's comments)..295
Earl Marischal completed..................................................296-297
fitting a bigger/better/cheap Hornby Pacific motor.................298
better cylinder drain pipes 299
2001 & 2002 compared 299
Making the mould for a Bugatti P2 front 299-300
Casting Bugatti P2 fronts 300-301
New additional etches for valve gear parts and adaptation of motion bracket, including method for using these 305
fitting lined-green, official Hornby spare wheels to Lord President, involving an unexpected snag 307
revised fairings for Lord President's streamlined non-corridor tender, thanks to information received from Tim Watson and others 312
modelling the Teloc speed recorder drives 312
fitting speed recorder drives and firebox supports 313
FINAL APPEARANCES OF 2001, 2002 & 2003 AS COMPLETED MODELS 314
P2 Hornby Cock o'the North, improving the details of the ACFI pumps, valves and pipes..309-310
P10 Gresley's never-was 2-8-2T, scratcbuilt chassis and modified Bachmann V1/V3 body..............................................................................................8-13
Q4 from Millholm models kit, image only...........................305
Q6 Idea only for resin body to suit Bachmann O4 chassis, not developed further....225
The 2017 Hornby model, a minimal conversion to pre 1939 condition........310
R2? Gresley's never was 4-8-2 express loco, streamlined, a "stretched" Hornby A4
.......................................................................................................................21-26
V2 master and resin body with correct boiler shape and cab details...........first illustration of idea 144
serious start on master body 211 to 216, mould making and casting in resin 216-224
final details, lining and insignia 227-8, 231
Fitting finer Comet valve gear to Bachmann (steel axle) chassis 233
V2 with a difference - streamlined. Image only....................................311
V4 from ABS / East Coast Models kit? As purchased Oct 2017, image only..........308
V2, V4 and Ivatt GNR 2-6-2 scheme models compared, images only............309
W1 (Streamlined rebuild) from Hornby A4 and SE Finecast parts........................2-5
further examples.................................................... 13-16, 18-20, 32-35
master parts for resin versions........141 onwards.....moulds 148-50.....Hornby A4 model converted using resin castings...to page 164
(A2/2, A2/1,resin W1 and V2 developments run in parallel over many following pages)

Images of LNER locos (and their details) at Shildon "shed bash" event July 2016.....283

4-8-2 Hercules visiting L'aal Ratty (R & E Rly)..............................................233

SIMPLE, EFFECTIVE HOME-MADE LOCO WHEEL PULLER.......... 314

Other never-was locomotives

Bulleid 2-8-2.......................................................................................178-184
GCR / Baldwin 2-10-2 scheme circa 1913.....................................................112-125
thoughts about suitable GCR lining....315
GNR Ivatt 2-6-2 fast goods loco proposal (c. 1907), mock-up image...................247, model from modified K2 and C1 resin parts plus modified V3 chassis 278-80


Tenders (Out of the ordinary examples or projects separate from locos)

8 wheel Hornby Railroad tender slimmed down to a non-corridor type............19
GCR Robinson 4000 gallon tender from Bachmann "preserved O4" version......26
LNER 3500 gal tender by cutting down Bachmann 4200 gal type.........29-30
later master model and resin casting (straight sides and
stepped-out copings).....................231,234
also showing comparison with 4200 gal version and appearance of
alternatives behind J39.
LNER 4200 gallon tender body with steeped-out copings, in resin...........247-8
Generally improving the look of the Hornby Railroad 8 wheel tender.......33-35
Making the Bachmann A4 tender look more nearly "correct".......................36
Hornby and Bachmann 8 wheel LNER tenders compared
(body and chassis separation)...........................194
Resin casting an 8 wheeled LNER tender top.....................................194-6
Streamlined non-corridor tender with full original fairings .....239
revised in light of new information 312
Streamlined corridor tender (rounded back) in resin with reduced fairings.....246
Hornby - NRM Flying Scotsman tender put back into pre-1937 condition for
Royal Lancer...........285
GNR 3500 gallon tender in resin, first attempt................246
variants (inc class A 3000 gal) and improved underframe 277
GNR Stirling Class D tender from LRM etched metal kit......286-289


Coaching Stock inc NPCS


GNR / ECJS style 8 wheeled clerestory coaches from Hornby Margate / Railroad generic
Gresley-style originals..............................................................196-213
including Quick Teaking over Margate swirly biscuit coloured plastic...212
or viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2443&p=95595#p95635
(illustration of idea 196-7, test piece of side 198, start of full conversion 200
clerestory roof master part and others 203 onwards, correct fitting of
cast resin clerestory roof 209, other details and livery painting to 213)
ECJS 12 wheeled clerestory restaurant composite (dia 79) with resin sides, ends and roof....320 onwards
Folded brass socket for fitting NEM coupling holders to coach bogies.....210
Grimsby-Immingham electric light railway (trams)............................140
Hornby (China) Gresley super-detail bogies, strengthening step-boards...294
Simple improvements to ends and underframes on Hornby Margate/railroad generic Gresley-style coaches....316
Improving an old Kirk non-gangwayed bogie brake van.........................319

Wagons, vans and goods brakes

Appleby-Frodingham peak-ended, all-steel, ironstone hopper.....from 224
start of master body & some prototype photos 224-5,
separation into parts for mould making 227
mould for hoppers and support struts, plus first castings from this 228-9
other moulds and first complete resin wagon 229-230
livery attempt - home printed side 232
with much better Cambridge Custom Transfers 241
Fish van shortened (LNER Parkside kit to earlier version), image only.....53
compared to later Bachmann RTR model 226
renumbering the Bachmann models 290
GCR 40ton bogie coal wagon.........................................114-5, 127-30, 133-140
GCR six wheeled brake from Jidenco/Falcon etched kit...............45-49, 53, 54
GNR standard 4 wheel brake from McGowan white metal kit............40-43
cast resin version ...........................................231,234
GNR 8 wheel brake from D & S kit (finished image only).........................38
H & B ventilated refrigerator van from an old Hornby body.....................47-48, 50,52
LNER insulated meat container in resin....................................247
LNER conflat wagon deck in resin to suit above.........................248
MS & LR 1880s 25 ton bogie mineral brake (finished image only)...........38
NER V1 brake from Slaters kit (finished image only)..............................38
ditto with added duckets................................................................38

NER V4 brake van, a modified Bachmann Toad E.....................................36-39
Toad B from Parkside Dundas original kit (finished image only)...............38
Toad D from Airfix/Dapol kit .....................................38-39, 53
Toad D improving the old Lima model .......................39-40 and 43-44, 49, 53
Toad B or D etched model, John Houlden surplus..........279
Toad E from two Airfix Toad D kits...........................50
casting copies in resin.....................51
Riding (side) lamps for brake vans............................................................54

NER F10 ventilated refrigerator vans, upgrading the Hornby models...45-49, 53, 54
(fish van "cascaded" version page 48, 52)
Wooden bodied ore hopper (like Ministry of Munitions WW1 7-plank design)...236
with Cambridge Custom Transfers 241
GNR 5 plank coal wagon, a look at the Mousa Models / Bill Bedford kit, discussion of parts and approach to building....312-313
Multiple wagon preparation for the Little Bytham 1930s weekends......315


Mould Making and Resin Casting

A simple A4 double chimney in a mould made from silicone sealant, cast in basic resin from a glass fibre kit.............................................................................25
Toad E brakevan sides, first steps in "proper" resin casting (March 2011).......51
A2/3 master parts, moulds, mould boxes and castings .............................61-62
improved resin cab casting 202,3 &207
A1/1 moulds and casting technique...........................................93 & 101-103
GCR 40ton bogie coal wagon.........................................114-5, 127-30, 133-140
W1 masters and moulds..............141 onwards .....moulds 148-50
(A2/2, A2/1,resin W1 and V2 developments run in parallel over many following pages)
GCR style 5mm and 7mm tall chimneys............................................171-2
Resin casting an 8 wheeled LNER tender top.....................................194-6
V2 master and resin body with correct boiler shape and cab details...........first illustration of idea 144
serious start on master body 211 to 216, mould making and casting in resin 216-224
(A2/2, A2/1,resin W1 and V2 developments run in parallel over many following pages)
GNR/ECJS style coaches: Clerestory roof, Fox bogies and other fittings for 203-213
Appleby-Frodingham peak-ended, all-steel, ironstone hopper.....from 224
start of master body & some prototype photos 224-5,separation into parts for mould making 227,mould for hoppers
and support struts, plus first injection castings from this 228-9,other moulds and first complete resin wagon 229-230
GNR standard 4 wheel brake, cast resin version ...........................................231,234
Wooden bodied iron ore hopper (like Ministry of Munitions WW1 7-plank design)...236
LNER insulated meat container in resin....................................247
LNER conflat wagon deck in resin to suit above.........................248
J6 complete kit in resin, creation of master parts (chassis with Mitsumi motor and nylon gears).........260-262
mould making 262-3, first resin parts 263-4, discussion of RTR chassis possibilities 264-5, building resin bodies 265-6,
J6 resin chassis with Mashima motor and High Level gearbox 269, castings in quantity and another look at chassis options 285
K2 Resin body, mostly in one piece, to fit modified Bachmann V3 (split axle), K3 or other chassis,
Master body production 249-251, V3 chassis adaptation 251-2, with added details and tender 253-4, mould making 255-6, first
resin model assembled 256, further examples 257-60, castings in quantity (and more comments on chassis use) 285
B2,B3,B6,B7,B8,D10,D11,O4/6,O5 resin cabs for large GCR locos, plain and side-window...291
P2 mould making and cast body fronts for Earl Marischal 292
first full cast resin front for Earl Marischal fitted to a Hornby model 294
Making the mould for a Bugatti P2 front 299-300
Injection-casting Bugatti P2 fronts 300-301
Adding colours to small amounts of casting resin in simple ways, at home 293
EXAMPLES OF RESIN INJECTION CASTING & SUITABLE MOULD-MAKING..148-50, 216-224, 228-9, 256, 301
DE-GASSING SMALL AMOUNTS OF MOULDING RUBBER FOR BUBBLE-FREE MOULD FORMATION 301
Set up for a resin casting demo at the NEC, Nov 2017...........309

Other Useful Techniques

Fabricating and low-tech turning of a brass loco chimney..................120
Gibson wheel quartering..........................................................172
Simple wire stock coupling idea (double ended & suitable for propelling
as well as for pulling)..............................................................194
Quick Teaking over Margate swirly biscuit coloured plastic.................212
or viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2443&p=95595#p95635
Folded brass socket for fitting NEM coupling holders to coach bogies.....210
6 wheel drive mechanism for 4-4-2 Atlantic type locos......................241
Making bogies miss outside cylinders ..........................................242
Hornby (China) Gresley super-detail coach bogies,
strengthening step-boards...294
Blending in new patches and old/original paint finishes..................295
Fitting a bigger/better/cheap Hornby Pacific motor in a P2..............298
Better cylinder drain pipes ....................................................299
SIMPLE, EFFECTIVE HOME-MADE LOCO WHEEL PULLER................... 314


Other handy locations

Page 271-274, Discussing the (then) case, and some ideas, for Peco or other ready-to-lay chaired pointwork with "British" sleeper spacing.

Bachmann B1 to B2
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=46312

P1 heavy freight loco
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30240

Portable model-making workstation - handy if (like me) you can't have a permanent bench
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 95#p649495

I think there may have been other useful bits on my original workbench thread but I guess they have been categorized as "too minor" by the Great Editor and binned.
I also stumbled upon these:

Mick B's A1/1 Great Northern - still apparently linked-through with the rest of his workbench. Lucky chap!
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 63#p653363

Cheap DIY rivet press - not my work but I like this:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 30#p654130

Mick Nicholson's R1 tank engine
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 52#p519652

Plastikard locos
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 35#p523135
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 56#p522856

Improving Peco points - only a little of this is mine
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=44012

My look at the ProScale P2 kit - which I STILL have yet to start......
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 52#p519652

Morgan's Sam Fay
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... 78#p595378

East Coast Pacifics and GN Atlantics, by "de Selby"
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=23818

When Gamston Bank went pre-group for a weekend
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2443&start=3675#p107031

Geoff Tiffany's Dewsbury Central GNR layout in P4
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2443&start=4020#p112746





Back to the Original 2010 Forum entries.......

I've been looking in on this forum for quite a while but making no contributions. I have however been contributing "elsewhere" until the last few days but I've now seen the error of my ways and have been persuaded to sign up to the ranks of the faithful!

I don't have a lot of time tonight to elaborate on the locos in the following pictures, but in brief:

The B2 is almost complete and rather than being built up from the DMR kit is a butchered and re-wheeled Bachmann B1 with Hornby B17 cab shell. I'm doing this job for a friend.

The P1 was last winter's work for my own satisfaction. Hornby 1990s boiler and cab, scratchbuilt running plate, heavily adapted ACE products O2 chassis (not nice to build), a very heavily rebuilt Replica LNER tender, and lots of detail alterations and additions here and there. Mashima 1628D (14 x 16 x 28 flat Can) and Romford 40:1 "open" gears. For as long as the website remains, full construction is covered in the RMWeb archive over many pages starting at http://rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30240
STA74269 L rear overview with coal.jpg
STA74273 P1 L side dark.jpg
Please ignore the image file titles - they may puzzle you rather than aid understanding! :?
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:45 pm

Hmmm, I haven't got the image sizes right, have I?
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Bill Bedford » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:49 am

Atlantic 3279 wrote:Hmmm, I haven't got the image sizes right, have I?
Yes you have. The software produces thumbnails. Readers can click on the thumbnails to get a bigger veiw.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:16 am

Thanks Bill, it's obvious now that you point it out :oops: .
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:57 am

Incidentally Bill, I hear that you make some B2 parts. They don't happen to include a good chimney do they?

I'd also be grateful if anybody can tell me based on firm late fifties photographic (or other) evidence, whether my version of Royal Sovereign has the correct crests on the tender, the correct rear coalplate in the tender, and correct rendition of any other variable features.
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atso » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:25 pm

Hmmm this looks somewhat familiar. Have I seen these somewhere else??? 8)

Still good to be able to admire some very fine work there!

Any more news regarding another Atlantic?
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:42 pm

Apart from adding brake rigging (which I keep forgetting although it is all there in the box), applying name/number/shed plates (on order) and clipping on the vaccum pipes (the owner has those) I believe the B2 is now more or less finished. Here are some newer and possibly better images:
STA74278 l close up loco.jpg
STA74277 l rear overview on bardney.jpg
STA74280 B2 and Mk1 dep bardney.jpg
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1

Post by Tom F » Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:48 pm

Top notch conversions, something if I actually had skills in this area, would do.

I look forward to seeing more :)
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:40 pm

Whilst I've got plenty of other things to do this summer anyway, modelling and otherwise, and I'm supposed to be starting a daunting "Cock o' the North" in the autumn, I'm slightly tempted to try to fit in a quickie conversion of an A4 to one of these:
W1 finished,deluxe mallard based mock up.jpg
Can't make my mind up whether to take the plunge at all, and whether to pay out for the best Hornby version as the donor model, or whether to go for the cheaper Railroad jobbie with its excessively high aerofoil curve over the coupled wheels. Mine would definitely have to be pre-war garter blue with valances.

Also, if I can persuade others that it can be done to a high standard, I wondered whether anybody else would want one in order to exploit the economies of production of a (very) small batch rather than just a one-off? I don't know what would be considered an attractive price. Of course it wouldn't work if everybody wanted a different era, different livery and different level of final detail, but I'm open to comment.
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by mick b » Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:05 pm

Hi
Wills Finecast already do a quite reasonable kit for the W1. I have built one in post war LNER Garter Blue. A lot easier than trying to kit bash a expensive rtr A4. Nice conversions of the locos shown.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:31 pm

I was already fully aware of the Finecast kit, and can see nothing wrong with building one if that is necessary or is what the individual prefers. However, I don't think it would win on grounds of cost, finish, fidelity to prototype or on grounds of "ease", as the latest Hornby A4 is very nice indeed and only needs straight extensions to its firebox and cab, and a new set of trailing frames and concealed bogie. I can certainly extend boilers and cabs invisibly and build the necessary frames/truck. With care only a rear end "blow in" paint job would be needed.....
But if I'm the only one who sees any advantage in this method I'll just deal with my own requirements.
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by wehf100 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:01 pm

Hi

I would be with you on the W1 conversion, as I can't abide whitemetal. But seeing the skills on your B2 and P1, I think you could really do justice to the most modern Hornby A4 rather than the railroad edition. Besides overall shape, the new model probably has better cast-in detail than you'd get in an old whitemetal kit too!

look forward to seeing how she goes. When Dapol's N gauge B1 comes out, I may have a go at something much much less drastic to your B1-2 conversion; a B3/3 with the Robinson tender. What's a few inches in bogie wheelbase in that scale!?

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by mick b » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:44 pm

Hi
I look forward to see how you will achieve "invisible" join lines. I have tried without much luck in the past. I wouldnt call it a cheap conversion the decent Mallard is £100 plus I wouldnt bother with the Railroad version no comparison.
Lastly from memory the W1 had a Corridor Tender in LNER days??. The Hornby Mallard is a non corridor version.

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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:38 am

I quite agree that the cost of the original or "donor" model is a major concern, and unlike some examples of A1 Flying Fox which seemed to get down to about £54 around 18 months ago, the (to my mind, body-wise at least) less complex A4 doesn't seem to go for "bargain" prices. That was one reason for considering the Railroad version, although after the "first glance" its deficiencies begin to mount up. Some serious bargain hunting may therefore be required to get this project going. You correctly point out the discrepancy regarding the tender for an LNER period model, and if I use the "nice" version of the A4 model with its correctly narrow-bodied tender then at least the tender body has to be swapped rather than just "corridorised" and re-detailed, but I've already done a bit of thinking about that problem too.
Ideas are still evolving. Only time will tell.
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Re: Loco workbench - a B2 and a P1, and maybe a W1???

Post by Tom F » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:23 am

Atlantic 3279 wrote:I quite agree that the cost of the original or "donor" model is a major concern, and unlike some examples of A1 Flying Fox which seemed to get down to about £54 around 18 months ago, the (to my mind, body-wise at least) less complex A4 doesn't seem to go for "bargain" prices. That was one reason for considering the Railroad version, although after the "first glance" its deficiencies begin to mount up. Some serious bargain hunting may therefore be required to get this project going. You correctly point out the discrepancy regarding the tender for an LNER period model, and if I use the "nice" version of the A4 model with is correctly narrow-bodied tender then at least the tender body has to be swapped rather than just "corridorised" and re-detailed, but I've already done a bit of thinking about that problem too.
Ideas are still evolving. Only time will tell.
I understand your concerns, Especially when you are paying so much, to then cut up a brand new locomotive!

It takes Gut! :lol:

I personally would be tempted for the rail road version, but understand the accuracy issues to! :(

Whatever you do, I will be watching with interest! :)
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