Atlantic's works: Portable layout update

[Atlantic 3279]

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[Atlantic 3279]

For those who remember The Album of the Soundtrack of the Trailer of the Film of Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Executive Version),

THIS IS SIDE TWO!


Here it is anyway, first attempt at casting almost exactly as I wanted it, thanks to lessons learned when casting side one. Any flaws are probably too small to show up in the images sizes permissible on this forum:

[Atlantic 3279]

I should at this stage, while I remember, thank "john coffin" and "JASd17" for some helpful comments and information regarding the Doncaster twelve-wheelers in general, and this diagram of carriage in particular. The man with the West End Workbench has also pointed me in the direction of some bogies that might be a better immediate option than a scratchbuilt set too.

[drmditch]

I should at this stage, while I remember, thank "john coffin" and "JASd17" for some helpful comments and information regarding the Doncaster twelve-wheelers in general, and this diagram of carriage in particular. The man with the West End Workbench has also pointed me in the direction of some bogies that might be a better immediate option than a scratchbuilt set too.

Good. I was going to ask about the bogies.

[JASd17]

Bad. It is a tricky subject!

Not fully understood without hours studying drawings, which may not exist for the diagram required.

Photographs are required for the EC Diagram 79 in the 1930s, that would solve problems.

John

[Atlantic 3279]

As John said above, getting the bogies "right" is tricky due to scarcity of information, plus evidence of many design variations.

That being the case, it seemed to me more difficult than it would have been anyway to justify the work of scratch-building and perhaps making moulds for something that might not turn out to be correct. Pending clarification of the matter, should that ever be possible, it may be worth considering an existing proprietary option (which I'm not going to reveal on here just yet because I don't want to find that current stock has been all been bought up by others before I get a proper look at them and decide whether to buy). Those I have in mind are not totally right for the general Doncaster pattern as they stand, but providing the way that they go together doesn't prevent some simple modifications that I have in mind they may be fairly easy to improve to a still more convincing appearance.

[Quicksilver95]

This looks fantastic Graeme, will you be making any castings available? I would certainly be interested in signing up!

[mick b]

Ditto on a set of castings please.

[Atlantic 3279]

I hope that quality of the cast sides, along with ease and repeatability of production will make it possible to offer them, but I haven't the faintest idea at present of cost or timescale......

I also need to demonstrate that they can be made into a decent model of the carriage of course!

I don't plan to do a specific roof and ends, so adaptation of my generic resin items or use of others will be required if anybody follows my lead, then there's the small matter of a floor / underframe, bogies and an interior.

[Quicksilver95]

I was wondering if one could do a cosmetic alteration of one of Hornby's 12 wheel pullman bogies to produce a reasonably passable representation. Quite a few spares on sale so that's my current school of thought

[JASd17]

I was wondering if one could do a cosmetic alteration of one of Hornby's 12 wheel pullman bogies to produce a reasonably passable representation. Quite a few spares on sale so that's my current school of thought

In a word, No.

Unless you are prepared to have a 'Tri-ang'-like outcome. Room 1001 perhaps?

John

[exile]

I was wondering if one could do a cosmetic alteration of one of Hornby's 12 wheel pullman bogies to produce a reasonably passable representation. Quite a few spares on sale so that's my current school of thought

My experience of H 12 wheekers id=s that they are as rare as hens' teeth nad are priced accordingly. I would image a proper job would be very much cheaper - not to say correct rather than a cobbled job.

[mick b]

247 developments list a 6 wheel LNWR version no pictures though. Internet showed this one, which looks very similar to Grame's earlier photo with a drawing outline . Near enough ?

Pullmans are nothing like the correct version.

[Quicksilver95]

Are there any of these bogies preserved?

[DS239]

I was wondering if one could do a cosmetic alteration of one of Hornby's 12 wheel pullman bogies to produce a reasonably passable representation. Quite a few spares on sale so that's my current school of thought

The bogies from the Hornby [ex-Dapol] LMS 12 wheel diner are available as spares..