My Q&D N gauge desktop, J50, J6, etc.

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Re: My Q&D N gauge desktop, J50, J6, etc.

Post by PGBerrie » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:30 pm

Atso wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:02 am
Have you considered joining the 2mm Association and purchasing their etched wagon chassis that have been designed to fit these bodies?
I think I've got too much 1:148 stock to start in 2 mm. For the fish van, I have a "Bug" bending tool that I hope will make things easier.

Since the last post I've painted the wagons and tried a bit of weathering - the rust was in the first coating, but unfortunately just rubbing off the top coatings with a hard brush and thinner just smeared the rust around.
16 T Mineral Wagons Stage 3.jpg
We'll have to see how they look after using artist's chalk. Since the photo was taken, I've also added the extensions to fixed ends again. I was thinking of adding the strut protecting the V hanger from the side door, but this is probably something which will fall off at the slightest touch, so I'll leave that until the wheels and couplings are mounted.

Peter

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Re: My Q&D N gauge desktop, J50, J6, etc.

Post by Atso » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:22 pm

PGBerrie wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:30 pm
I think I've got too much 1:148 stock to start in 2 mm. For the fish van, I have a "Bug" bending tool that I hope will make things easier.
As do I Peter. The chassis can be used with N gauge wheels using the adaptor axle that can be supplied, clearance is tight be totally practicable for N gauge.

The minerals are looking very good already. Please keep describing your weathering techniques - this is something I've not really done much of and am very eager to learn.

Just out of question what is a 'Bug' bending tool?
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Re: My Q&D N gauge desktop, 16 T Mineral Wagons.

Post by PGBerrie » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:10 pm

The "Bug" is a hold and fold tool. I bought mine from NDetail, who do a mean brass Nissan hut in N, but the instructions say it came from Cammett Ltd in Hay-on-Wye. They are now https://www.scalewarship.com and don't appear to sell them any more.
Hold & Fold Tool.jpg
I did find a US supplier with the full range: http://www.mmodelstore.com/holdandfold.aspx. Perhaps someone knows a UK supplier.

My weathering method is nothing special. Basically the same as in Martyn Welch's The Art of Weathering plus noting what jwealleans does on his thread. The 16Ts started out with an acrylic "rust coat" followed by a grey coat. These were brushed on, although I usually use spray cans.
16 T Mineral Wagon Stage 2b.jpg
The grey was unfortunately lumpy, despite looking smooth in the pot, so I added a coat of Humbrol grey. The rust spots are produced using thinner to soften the top coat (cotton bud or paint brush) and a file point, cocktail stick or stiff brush stick to rub through to the undercoat, depending where I am working. This time I used the "pimples" in the top coat as starting points for the rust.

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Re: My Q&D N gauge desktop, 16T Mineral Wagons

Post by PGBerrie » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:11 pm

Since the last post I made the coal loads - these are simply snug-fitting pieces of Bristol board with a small piece of wood stuck underneath to give the height. I make a cellotape wrap, coat the top with white glue then add the coal. A syringe and dilute white glue fixes the top bits. I think the basis was Woodland mine run coal with bigger bits from Flockton. If anyone is short of real coal, visit the National Mining Centre there and go down the pit. You're allowed to take a piece away with you. Lasts for ever in N!
16 T Mineral Wagons Stage 4.jpg
I also applied the transfers to the Diagram 108 wagons (Modelmaster). The sheet also includes the signs for bottom doors, although Diagram 108 never had them apparently. Either a nice gesture or misleading, depending on your point of view. I decided not to apply the end door stripes as they seem to be too wide. Looking at photos, it looks like they should be about the width of the lettering, although as usual there seems to be some variation. I'm going to look for a white marking pen tomorrow, or failing that get out the old Rotring or use a bow pen. Modelmaster also do a sheet of Diagram 109 and other numbers, so I now have to order that.

Having spent some time reading about the minerals, I also fancy some slope-sided (Charles Roberts) wagons, which are available RTR from Farish. A couple of cupboard door wagons would also be interesting, but I don't think that they are available in N.

Peter

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Re: My Q&D N gauge desktop, J50, J6, etc.

Post by Atso » Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:32 pm

Those are looking excellent Peter!

I've just rejoined the 2mm Association and purchased some of their plastic wagon body kits. I've now got several LNER six plank wagon bodies amongst others to build while I'm on holiday from the end of next week!

With regard to the Model Masters white stripes, couldn't you just carefully trim the width with a sharp knife? I've done this with Fox LNER green boiler bands in the past as I didn't require one of the white lines and it didn't occur to me that I could have painted them out instead!
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Re: My Q&D N gauge desktop, J50, J6, etc.

Post by PGBerrie » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:16 pm

Here are the Parkside BR 24 1/2T and GWR 20T wagons I talked about on Atso's thread.
Parkside Coal Wagons N Gauge.jpg
Having built the 16T wagons, I could not resist buying these 16T slope sided wagons (Charles Roberts) to go with the set.
Farish Slope-Sided 16T Wagons.jpg
It's easy to see that this is mass produced weathering and the couplings are far too long. Luckily they are screwed on so there should be no trouble changing them.
Atso wrote:
Sun Aug 13, 2017 5:32 pm
With regard to the Model Masters white stripes, couldn't you just carefully trim the width with a sharp knife?
I tried this with my X-Acto (previously I had been using a heavier knife which crinkled the edges) and got decent results. I'll post the pictures when the couplings and wheels are on.

Peter

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Re: My Q&D N gauge desktop, J50, J6, etc.

Post by Atso » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:01 pm

Those wagons look great Peter, nice job.

I always use a new scalpel blade for cutting transfers as any nicks at all in the blade will either cause a ragged edge or tear the transfer.
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Re: My Q&D N gauge desktop, J50, J6, etc.

Post by PGBerrie » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:58 pm

Thought I would bring this up to date. I ordered the transfers for the Diagram 109 wagons and then waited four weeks for the post to get them to me. I then ran out of couplings and had to assemble some more - hence the delay in getting everything (almost) finished. Here's a picture of them with a couple of Peco wooden ones.
16 T Mineral Train Panorama.jpg
Sorry about the shadows and out of focus engine.

Peter
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