Make do and Mend - Local Produce

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by Dave » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:54 am

Thank you.
I can't make out the bond clearly from the photo's but it looks like stretcher, bit late for NER cabins, if it, is it was used mainly in cavity walls and single skin construction with piers. Cavity walls are a late invention.

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by JASd17 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:43 am

On one of the photos I can see an occasional header in the bond.

Could it be a type of Flemish Garden Wall bond?

John

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by drmditch » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:43 pm

Just after I had 'cut and stuck' the brickpaper I saw a reference to the NER using the delightfully named 'English Garden Bond' for signal cabins.
(Three courses of stretchers to one of headers - if I've Googled it properly.)

I can't find that reference again this morning!
A close examination of the photographs of Springfield, Castleton, Battersby and other CD cabins doesn't appear to show this. I sometimes think I can see a row of headers, but then can't find another row of headers four or five courses above or below.

I was concentrating so much on producing the brick panels with their indentation that I overlooked the brick coursework itself!

So much for the accuracy of my research! Given the nature of my construction, it would be impossible (probably) to replace the brick paper at this stage - but I will think about it!

Let this be a warning to others!

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by JASd17 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:51 pm

I was just about to edit my post with a comment suggesting that several NER boxes had English Garden Wall bond.

John

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by drmditch » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:04 pm

Below are some 'warts and all' pictures of the roof construction.
You will see that this is all re-cycled card.
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I post these so that:
1. They may be helpful to anyone else building such a complex roof
2. Advertise the benefits of 'Low-cost material construction'
3. If anybody sees another failure of research, please can they tell me know before I invest more effort in the tiling!

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by drmditch » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:09 pm

JASd17 wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:51 pm
I was just about to edit my post with a comment suggesting that several NER boxes had English Garden Wall bond.

John
Can you say which Cabins (I know they sometimes called them 'boxes' by 1923, but 'Cabins' is so much more stylish!) you have found, and preferably which sources you have found pictures in?

(Or a surviving original of course.)

The same source that I now can't find did say that since Cabins were built by different contractors the brickwork might vary, depending I suppose on the level of detail in the specification of the details - and site inspection!

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by JASd17 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:20 pm

Oxmardyke and Dairycoates West had English Garden Wall. Quite different types of 'cabin'.

Both Seamer structures have it too. See my photo below. All North Eastern Southern Division.
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I have a photo of Bridlington South which may be Flemish Garden Wall bond. It is not English or English Garden Wall bond.

I have a photo of Falsgrave at Scarborough which has a Flemish bond base.

John

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by drmditch » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:24 pm

Gone through 'A history of North Eastern Signalling' again:-

Hillam Gates (SD) shows the English Garden Wall Bond very clearly (Page 188)
Both old and new Seamer East - as you have shown in colour (Page 189)
Kirkby Thore (CD) Type C2a is also quite clear (Page 192)
Norton East (CD) appears to show some courses of headers (Page 210)

Page 211 states that N1 cabins were built 'three courses of stretchers to one of headers'.
Coanwood (ND) on the Alston Branch (Type N3) clearly shows this pattern. (Page 215) as does:
North Seaton (ND - N4) - Page 219.

On most of the above pictures that pattern stands out clearly. Perhaps the brickwork was clean and/or the light was good!

I would struggle to identify it on the four CD cabins (Piercebridge, Wearhead, Springfield and Priestcroft Junction shown on Page 209.
There is also a good picture of the Springfield cabin on Page 219 of NERA Express Vol.58 November 219.
Although perhaps......

This is really a nuisance. When my railway is in a fit state for visitors I shall just have to give them a list of Errors and Omissions.

The brickpaper I have used is Flemish Bond.

Now back to tiling.
At least the slate roof appears fairly straightforward.
(If anyone knows differently please say now.......)

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by drmditch » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:40 pm

Progress.
The roof louvres, which are a particular feature of this coal-fired, oil-lamp lighted design needed some thought.
They were built up of pieces of card - thus:
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The roof tiling is black brass-rubbing paper (I don't know if one can still buy that!)
The flashing is heavy-duty printing paper.


The chimney is also card and brick paper:

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by drmditch » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:46 pm

The footboards giving access for window cleaning were also quite tricky.

The brackets, which seem to have been almost an NER (all division) standard, were filed up from brass blanks soldered together then drilled and filed
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The brackets, top-flanges and the footboards themselves were soldered up using two temperatures of solder and a jig.
(I find temporary jigs essential for any kind of structural soldering.)
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The Central Division (for sources see above) appeared to favour plain boards, with no back-rail and just a grab rail mounted to the window sashes.
At some time post WW2, some, but not all, of these were modified with outside railings.

The Northern and Southern Divisions appeared to make more use of the latter. Perhaps their signalmen didn't have sticky feet!

The grab rails are just blackened brass wire. Cutting and fitting was also quite tricky. (See next post).

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by drmditch » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:00 pm

PIctures in the sunlight this morning.
They have shown up some faults which need correction.
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The access steps are also complex (a is just about everything with this cabin.) They are awaiting delivery of plastic steps from Eileen's Emporium. The handrails will need to be another tricky little brass structure.

I also tried to take some pictures showing the interior, on which I spent far too much time!
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Guttering and downpipes await final fastening of the roof, and I will try to take some better photographs of the interior before I do.

(The Tablet instrument is a Tyers No.6. I had a good view of the one in Goathland Cabin, when the train last Saturday stopped in exactly the right place!)

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Re: Make do and Mend - Local Produce

Post by nzpaul » Fri Aug 07, 2020 12:45 pm

That's a beautiful model, I was looking for superlatives but that's the most appropriate way to describe it I think.

Paul

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