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Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:54 pm
by john coffin
Mike Trice is likely to know,
however, on a Howlden brake, there is a triangular shaped "skylight". Not sure about Gresley's, like top views of locos,
top views of carriages are pretty much like hen's teeth.

Paul

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:34 pm
by Phil Brighton
Yes I think a triangular skylight is what I am on about. I expect a Howlden brake would give me enough to go on. Will do some more googling.

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:57 am
by Woodcock29
Hi Phil

I suggest you have a look at Steve Banks' website. He has an article on building the D&S Howlden bogie full brake which includes a good view of the roof and shows the skylights very well. Of course you may already be aware of Steve's website? There are a number of good photos of the prototype which show the skylights in this article.

https://www.steve-banks.org/modelling/2 ... -bogie-van

Below is a photo of my D&S Howlden 6 wheel brake. I didn't use the D&S skylights as they are too tall in my view - the angle at the apex is too sharp so I made them up from plastic sheet. I think looking back that mine also are a bit too tall but the this is at the base - the vertical sides should be almost non-existent at the base - live and learn eh! I have also attached a photo of the underside of a skylight in a 6 wheel full brake that I took a couple of years ago at York which shows the angle of the apex very well.
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Regards

Andrew Emmett
(who lived at Potters Bar for my first 8.5 years)

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:39 am
by Phil Brighton
Thank you Andrew that is really helpful. I have seen Steve's website but had missed that page up to now.
The 6 wheel van in the picture is very nice.

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:13 pm
by john coffin
The Harris paperback GN/ECJS stock has some slightly more useful photos than his later bigger books.
Oakwood press X56 85361 4776
It seems to me that the Gresley skylight, for want of a better name, will be lower and less wide than the
Howlden one, because of the gauge, in relation to the height of Gresley carriage rooves.
Certainly the LNER height gauge is likely to have restricted the height of these lights.

Paul

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:48 pm
by MikeTrice
Phil Brighton wrote: Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:39 am Thank you Andrew that is really helpful. I have seen Steve's website but had missed that page up to now.
The 6 wheel van in the picture is very nice.
Have you seen my PM? It seems stuck in my "Outbox" and does not appear to have transitioned to "Sent"

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:18 pm
by Phil Brighton
Yes got it. Perfect - thanks!
Now got to work out how best to make them.

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:07 pm
by Phil Brighton
Van mainly built barring a few handrails. Think I got the toplights right. Just perched on the bogies, not really that wonky.
I think maybe the footboards are too prominent so may swap them.
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Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:03 pm
by Phil Brighton
I am afraid Steve Bank's website is a bit dangerous and it tempted me into building another GNR full brake along side the one above.

This time I took an old Hornby Gresley, sanded and cut off the detail, shortened it to 55'6", make a new floor and sides.
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Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 6:23 am
by jwealleans
It seems churlish to ask if you narrowed it to 8' wide after that excellent work.

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:39 am
by Atlantic 3279
Do you know a lady who can advise on the narrowing method Jonathan?

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:59 pm
by Phil Brighton
No not narrowed I am afraid. Not sure I could do that effectively.

Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:07 pm
by Phil Brighton
Ok you talked me into it.
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Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:19 pm
by Phil Brighton
The 55'6" brake has been narrowed to 8'. Was fairly straight forward in the end. However I have been finishing off other bits I have been working on for a while. In no particular order the Coronation, GNR full brake and DJH C2.
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Re: My Workbench - Potters Bar and South Mimms

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:21 pm
by Phil Brighton
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