Rustys workbench - builds and paints

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Agreed. Must get back to a rebuild of one I was given which is underway. It will 4537.

Trouble is yesterday I started fiddling around with B8 chassis a mate etched for me some years ago!

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Rustynuts wrote: Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:11 am D&S GNR 10T Cattle wagon and Parkside Dia 5 Horsebox, both auction site rebuilds, now done:

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Hello Rusty,
Very nicely built and painted models, thanks for sharing.
Does the GNR cattle wagon have two-post or 4-post wagon ends please?

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Hiya, Its a 4 post end version.

Regards

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Latest lot of auction site rebuilds:

LNER(GN) Ballast wagons

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GCR Single Bolster Pair:

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GCR Single Bolster and sand wagon (from a Stelfox GER 5-Plank):

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51L - Ince Waggon & Ironworks Three Box Coal Wagon (I did build this one):

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whilst I am intrigued by your work, I cannot agree that ballast wagons would have had bolsters on them in GNR times.
What would they need them for?
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Hi John,

When I got them they came with a rail load. so i left the bolsters in (the floors had been split) the lner writing on them says "to carry 10T of rails or 12 T of Ballast"

the D&S instructions (I have more unbuilt ones of these so have some) state when carrying 10T of rails they were run in pairs with the 45' rails supported on small bolsters, a small drop end being provided on either wagonto allow rails to pass through.

Plates 284 to 286 in Tatlows 'LNER Wagons' on page 132 show this .

As i am not modelling GNR times I am neither going to agree or disagree with you good self.

I am missing the canvas covers on the axle boxes mind you, so i must add those some time and i should re-number them in the range 470xxx :)

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Much as I hate to disagree with Peter Tatlow, I am not sure from what I have
read and seen in research that they would have mixed ballast and rails in
one wagon, not least because of the problems with storing the bolsters.
Engineering departments were notorious for not keeping their stuff in
the best of order.

It may well be that in later times, ie post 1923, Peter is correct,
but not so sure about pre 1923.

Anyway, the work looks good

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Rustynuts wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:08 pm Hiya, Its a 4 post end version.

Regards

Paul
Hi Paul,
Thank you.
I have the incentive to build one.

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Hi Paul

Where did you get your retaining walls from please? They look just perfect for the rebuild I'm planning on my layout

And if possible, what are the measurements please?
oOo

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Hi Brian,

The dimensions are:

W: 185mm
H : 80mm

They are by Bachmann and two of the above size come in a box.

regards

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I'm interested in the truth regarding the ballast wagons as I have some to build, as and when I can.
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There are pictures in Tatlows book showing the bolsters ( page 132), and I tend to go via pictures rather than words, the pair shown above came with the bolsters fitted and a rail load so i guess it was either or with regards to ballast and never together? but looking at the pics I need to renumber them to something appropriate.

Volume 1 of LNER wagons by Tatlow also has a drawing and photos showing the tops of the bolster pins on pages 82/83.

I wonder if 3D printing is the way to go to produce axle boxes with the canvas over to stop dust ingress ( any offers?) :)
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john coffin wrote: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:51 pm Much as I hate to disagree with Peter Tatlow, I am not sure from what I have read and seen in research that they would have mixed ballast and rails in one wagon, not least because of the problems with storing the bolsters. Engineering departments were notorious for not keeping their stuff in the best of order.

It may well be that in later times, ie post 1923, Peter is correct, but not so sure about pre 1923...
Then again, if the accompanying tabulated information of GN engineering wagon diagrams in vol 1 is correct, these wagons shown having the 10/12 ton load rating, suggests that the GNR had them designed and constructed for the alternative rail or ballast loads. A good photograph of one in GN livery, or a look at the GN wagon diagram book would settle it.
Rustynuts wrote: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:14 am I wonder if 3D printing is the way to go to produce axle boxes with the canvas over to stop dust ingress...
Seems an an expensive route when black bin liner pieces (mine are cut from a carefully selected bag off a roll of Tesco's rough and thin ultra-cheapo type) can be attached with Evostick (full ozone layer depleting flavour). Also good for weather sheets and flapping wagon tarps.
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Sounds good for the Tarps, may have to give that a go :D
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Added the Tarps and replaced them on the Sand wagon, just have to sort the running numbers now:

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