James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by James Harrison » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:38 pm

For the last few months I have been looking for a specialised freight train to model. I have, in the past, built a bogie fish van or two and had another gifted to me, so you might be thinking a fish train would answer the bill, but my understanding is that fish trains usually ran to 30 or more vehicles, just a little too long for my tastes and storage.

It was whilst discussing some alterations to an N gauge cattle wagon with a friend that I first found this image, courtesy Steve Banks' website.

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A bit more manageable, I think. The loco- yes, you can get those quite easily. The brakevan?- built one of those previously and got the drawings for an improved version. It's the cattle wagons that need a bit of thinking about.

So, having a look at what is available (and more importantly available on my budget of maximum £20 per wagon). The Bachmann ex-LMS cattle wagon- the framing is wrong. The Oxford LNER wagon- well there's the obvious issue of the sides being identical rather than handed, then the framing being of approximately the right pattern but the wrong material (angle iron rather than timber).

It did give me an idea though- the Dapol (ex-Airfix) kits. Well, I had one of those to hand (one I built many years ago) and offering it up to the drawing in Tatlow's LNER wagons book suggested that the overall dimensions were about right. Worth a shot?

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Well, this is what we're aiming at.

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And the starting point. First impressions? Overall dimensions are suitable, framing is about the right pattern but the wrong material, the doors are wrong and there are probably a multitude of little details that are wrong but would pass my 3' viewing distance yardstick. Better put in an order for a lot of plastic strip and sheet....

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To see some progress at an early stage the first thing I did was to build the chassis. This is a remarkably robust set of mouldings and went together quite well, once the flash had been removed.

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Each panel of the body is an individual piece. Making for an easier job of the conversion- especially when it's all still on the sprues!

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First job is to cut away the excess strapping to the bottom of the body panels. We don't need it for these wagons. Then the angle iron strapping has notches cut into it at the joints.

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Why would we cut those notches in? Because we're turning the angle iron into timber- a strip of 0.5mm square section plastic down each side of it to bulk it out. Don't forget to add the extra vertical to the top of the body panels. Then some plastic sheet into the corner.

Well, I managed to butcher two panels- leaving another pair to look at, and the ends, and the other five kits, but then the pink elephants told me to stop for the evening. I don't know where they went last night after I packed up but they weren't at the table this morning.

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by James Harrison » Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:18 pm

When I spoke about my cattle train last, I had got the chassis built.... for one wagon.... and a few body panels altered.

Well, things have moved on a little since then. I still only have the one wagon, but all of the body panels have been attended to- at the cost of half a packet of plastic strip- (I'll need at least three packets of that stuff to do all six of these!) and then I was able to build the bodywork, paying particular attentionto keeping everything square.

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I then built the doors, unfortunately I didn't take any photos of this process but the lower door re-used a part of the ones supplied in the kit whilst the upper doors were built from scratch. Then into the paintshops.

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Those doors are quite flimsy, and although it looks odd it is all square!- I'm now fettling the roof to get a good fit and I think the strapping could do with some smoothing down and filling too. Quite difficult to see exactly where it isn't quite right when it is plain bright white plastic, easier when there's some paint on it.

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by James Harrison » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:02 pm

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Nearly finished. Once the transfers are fitted it will be time to have a crack at the limewashing.

Preparatory to which...

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I had a few practices on the beat-up old test piece. This is tipex. Mmm, not quite right I think.

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I used matt white paint on the other side. More promising, I reckon.

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by Mercator II » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:03 pm

Hi James

Am I the only one who can not see your images now? All I get is 'image'
oOo

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by James Harrison » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:44 pm

Bizarre; image size perhaps? I'll resize them and try again tomorrow- they are showing ok for me at the moment.

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by jwealleans » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:38 am

Displaying OK on my browser (Firefox) and phone.

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by Dave » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:19 am

Images were fine on my Ipad last night and on my work comp now.

Nice models by the way.

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by notascoobie » Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:00 pm

Hi James,
I'm liking your work. Building what you want is the part of the hobby that interests me the most. It beats waiting for an RTR one😆

I used a similar approach to get some GNR cattle wagons from the well known starting point of the Parkside LNER cattle wagon kit. It required cutting out the centre section and inserting a new one. I used slightly thinned matt white enamel paint to represent the lime wash because I didn't want it to be too gooey.
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Keep up the good work!

Regards,

Vernon

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:03 pm

Hi Vern,

Would you be willing please to divulge more detail regarding the changes to the Parkside items, and whether the dimensions as finally achieved are right for the GN large cattle? I sense that there's a need to change the door width. Or are the answers to my questions already in place somewhere on the mighty web?
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by notascoobie » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:52 pm

Hi Graeme,
I will pm you - don't want to hijack James' thread.
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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by James Harrison » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:02 pm

Last night's images, re-sized in case that was the issue.

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The first of my proper cattle wagons.

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The test piece- trying tipex.

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On the other side of the test piece, trying paint.
notascoobie wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:00 pm
Hi James,
I'm liking your work. Building what you want is the part of the hobby that interests me the most. It beats waiting for an RTR one😆

I used a similar approach to get some GNR cattle wagons from the well known starting point of the Parkside LNER cattle wagon kit. It required cutting out the centre section and inserting a new one. I used slightly thinned matt white enamel paint to represent the lime wash because I didn't want it to be too gooey.
2017-12-06 11.54.36.jpg
Keep up the good work!

Regards,

Vernon
Dave wrote:
Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:19 am
Images were fine on my Ipad last night and on my work comp now.

Nice models by the way.
Thank you!

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by Mercator II » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:12 pm

Nope, still nowt

I use my Android powered smart phone or a kindle to view, but its only your postings I can't see images, very strange. Will try my laptop another time

Loving the work still even if I can't see the results!!
oOo

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by James Harrison » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:38 pm

Hmmmmm.... I have been using Imgur to host my photos but to be honest I'm finding that as slow and unwieldy as Photobucket was.

So let's try Flickr instead....

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So, the first in the rake finished. I'm not sure I've used the right size of transfers; the only photo I've so far found of vans in GCR livery suggests that the insignia should be a small 'G C R' on one plank about two-thirds the way up the body (of course I only noticed this after putting the transfers on....), but then it looks like the rear-most wagon in that photo does have the larger 'G C' lettering.

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by jwealleans » Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:03 pm

Didn't cattle wagons have a cast number plate, or am I out of your era with that?

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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

Post by James Harrison » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:24 pm

I'm really not sure is the honest answer. If there should be one, it's not shown on the drawings I have been following (which would be Dow's diagram in Great Central and the drawing in Peter Tatlow's book), also I can't make out if there is one or not on any of the wagons on the so-far only photograph I've found of them in GCR livery. The photograph shown on Steve Banks' website suggests that the number was transferred or painted onto the wagon bodywork- so research in the Tatlow book is called for to find some suitable numbers.

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