Flying Scotsman - 4472 and the service. (circa 1956-1963)

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:32 pm

I remember living near the East Coast Main Line circa 1956-1963.
I know that the Flying Scotsman service used this line as indeed it still does.Can anyone tell me what trains pulled the Flying Scotsman service please. Did No.4472 pull it during any of this period. Also did the Mallard ever pull it. Here's hoping. Many thanks. Great site.

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:03 am

Not to worry.Just got quite a few names so I'm sorted.

x568wcn · Post by **x568wcn** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:12 pm

During the period you required, Flying Scotsman was unlikely to have been seen on The Flying Scotsman, as it lost it's Corridor Tender very Early on, but yes Mallard would have been on at this time.

The Flying Scotsman was just one of many trains running up and down, each day, and it ran both ways, at 10:00 from Kings Cross and Waverley.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:51 am

x568wcn wrote:During the period you required, Flying Scotsman was unlikely to have been seen on The Flying Scotsman, as it lost it's Corridor Tender very Early on, but yes Mallard would have been on at this time.

The Flying Scotsman was just one of many trains running up and down, each day, and it ran both ways, at 10:00 from Kings Cross and Waverley.

Would the Flying Scotsman (train) have required a corridor tender loco at this time? The 'non stop' had become the 'Elizabethan' and it was only the non stop that required a corridor tender, as far as I'm aware. All other trains stopped to, at least, change crews.

x568wcn · Post by **x568wcn** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:17 am

Then it wasn't The Flying Scotsman!

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:31 am

Thanks very much for the information gentlemen. I want a good clean fight ... two falls or one submission to decide the winner!

I'm clear about the Mallard.Always reminded me of a sports car on rails.
And the Flying Scotsman (4472) may or may not (but erring on may not)
have pulled the service at this time.

Pyewipe Junction · Post by **Pyewipe Junction** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:43 pm

First point: the Flying Scotsman wasn't non-stop in BR days. My NER 1955 summer timetable shows it stopping at Newcastle for 6 minutes in both directions. My ER 1959 summer timetable also shows this but doesn't say for how long.

Second point: I'll leave it to others to say whether or not 6 minutes is long enough to take water and change crews.

x568wcn · Post by **x568wcn** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:30 pm

The only engines that pulled the non-stop Elizabethan, were the A4s, even the deltics that pulled it for one year, had at least one stop!

Pyewipe Junction · Post by **Pyewipe Junction** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:15 pm

I'd like to add that in my years of 'spotting at various locations within easy reach of Lincoln (Doncaster, Retford, Tuxford and Grantham) the only reliable way of seeing a Haymarket A4 or other Pacific was on The Elizabethan (always an A4).

While I'm talking about my personal recollection events of about 50 years ago, I'd bet a pound to a penny that the Flying Scotsman actually changed locos at Newcastle.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:20 pm

Pyewipe Junction wrote:
Second point: I'll leave it to others to say whether or not 6 minutes is long enough to take water and change crews.

ix minutes is ample to change crews (and locos, if necessary). I doubt that they'd take water; that's what the water troughs were for.