GN Railmotors

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GN Railmotors

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Does anyone know if there are drawings available for Nos 1 & 2? Nice view of the Midland Roundhouse at KX BTW.
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Apologies for distorted image.

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Tim

There are 4mm scale drawings in 'Historic Carriage Drawings Volume 1: LNER and Constituents' by Nick Campling (Pendragon Partnership, 1997).

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Many thanks Darryl.
I'll take a look in the MRC library. I have the Jenkinson-Campling book, but not that one.
I wonder if there are any works drawings of the engine?
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Now that would make an interesting "New Build." As we already have the North Eastern petrol [now diesel] Railmotor, in the final throws of overhaul/restoration and the Great Western Steam railmotor. The later already in service at Didcot and fleetingly on the mainline.
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'Interesting' indeed. All such steam railmotors must have been a PITA when it came to disposal, boiler wash out, fitter attention; taking up as much space in the loco shed yard as the largest UK locos.

Should there ever be thoughts of a build of such a thing, exploitation of a piece of standard road vehicle kit might profitably be explored. A redesign to include the turntable gear from an articulated tractor and trailer unit to allow the coach section to be dropped off in some convenient siding propped on the screw down posts with a set of rail skate wheels; while the loco section goes off to be worked on.
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These GN Railmotor coaches are these the same petrol driven motor/coach vehicles that at onetime worked the passenger service over the Hatfield-Welwyn Junction-Cole Green-Hertford single line branch line from 1905 until just before WW1?.

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no Mickey, they are steam engines with carriages attached.
The one you are talking about is the experimental Daimler car.

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john coffin wrote:no Mickey, they are steam engines with carriages attached.
The one you are talking about is the experimental Daimler car.
Thanks for the clarification Paul much appreciated.

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G'day Gents

Would love one of these, seeing that they worked the Edgware branch, but cost more to run than a loco and coaches, Mr Ivatt complained that they cost 7d a mile to run, but only earned 5d a mile (in summer)

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The story of the GNR Railmotors is covered in the RCTS "Great Northern Locomotive History - Volume 3a". It details their build, allocation and work with a variety of photo's of the various vehicles. There was also a thread on either this Forum or RMweb offering 4mm etches for the later Twin coach sets derived from the railmotor coach portion. If I can find a link I will post it.

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The link below shows the build of the 4mm etches:-

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... try1844116

Hope this is of interest for this discussion, as others will point out and the RCTS notes detail the coaches were from specific railmotor units.

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These items were built in four sets of loco and carriage, by different makers, so not only are the carriages different, but also the locos,
since each builder had a different spin on the design.

In particular, the carriages on Nos 1 & 2 were different from each other. No of seats, layout etc, although the lengths were the same.

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Post by Wolf of Badenoch »

The link below shows the build of the 4mm etches:-

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... try1844116

Hope this is of interest for this discussion, as others will point out and the RCTS notes detail the coaches were from specific railmotor units.

Steve

This link shows the build of the Horncastle and Essendine articulated twin sets ( I am building a pair of both types at present), they were not steam railmotors as they are pulled typically by an A5 or N5 as the link shows, not an integral steam loco as per a steam railmotor.
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Re: GN Railmotors

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Mickey wrote:These GN Railmotor coaches are these the same petrol driven motor/coach vehicles that at onetime worked the passenger service over the Hatfield-Welwyn Junction-Cole Green-Hertford single line branch line from 1905 until just before WW1?.
In case this isn't obvious, the unit could be driven from the carriage. According to this site an extra carriage could be attached, which presumably could also be driven, placing the loco in the middle. (Reversal without shunting was the whole point of the unit.) I've also read that such units tended to be underpowered so an extra carriage could have caused problems, though this may not have been the case with the GN units. In general companies soon abandoned the idea but the LNER was enthusiastic and ordered many vertical-boilered examples from Sentinel and Clayton, as detailed on this site.

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Re: GN Railmotors

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Whilst there is evidence that in particular the NER ran their auto trains with carriages on both sides of the loco, so far I have found no
such actual evidence of the GNR running a carriage on either side, however, there is at least one photo of a GNR railmotor with two
carriages or indeed a goods van attached to the coach.

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