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LNER Joint Railways

Post by Green Arrow » Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:20 am

Hello,

Does anyone know of LNER consumed or connected Jointg Railways, aside the M&GN?
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Post by richard » Sun Sep 24, 2006 3:24 pm

The E&WYUR joined the LNER in July 1923 - ie. 6 months after formation.

The East & West Yorkshire Union Railway had a grand name and grand ideas at formation, but was essentially a colliery line in the South Leeds area.
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Post by talltim » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:40 pm

I'm sure there were lots of others but the one that springs to mind is the South Yorkshire Joint which before the grouping was joint between the Great Central Railway (GCR), the Great Northern Railway (GNR), the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway (L&YR), the Midland Railway (MR) and the North Eastern Railway (NER).
After the grouping it became joint LMS (2/5) and LNER (3/5)

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Post by bw1165 » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:58 pm

The Cheshire Lines Committee is the obvious one - after grouping 1/3 LMS, 2/3 LNER and the largest joint line of all.

The Great Central and Midland Committee (50/50) owned a fair mileage, mostly in the Manchester area but with some outliers. The Oldham, Ashton and Guide Bridge Junction and Great Central and North Staffordshire Joint were also 50/50 with the LMS. Darn South, there was the Great Central and Great Western (50/50 with GWR) and the Great Central and Metropolitan Joint (50/50 with Metropolitan, later LPTB).

I believe some of these joint lines were "grouped" for management purposes by being put under a common joint management committee after 1923.

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Post by Green Arrow » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:54 pm

Thanks! :D
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Post by 52D » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:04 pm

Dont forget the little gem - North Sunderland Railway.
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Post by 60041 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:51 am

The North Sunderland Railway was never actually taken over by the LNER, as it completely missed the grouping and remained independent throughout its existence. They did however regularly hire locomotives from the LNER and later BR to cover for the regular breakdowns of their own very poorly maintained loco's.
One little known fact is that the the ex GER coach that was used on the railway is still (just) in existence as a pile of wood at the Tanfield Railway! It is generally thought to be beyond repair, but no-one has the heart to get rid of it

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Post by silver fox » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:09 am

Same with the Easingwold Railway, this was private all it's life, and had it's owe locos and stock, until it couldn't maintain them, then had to borow from BR.
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Post by 52D » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:20 pm

The North Sunderland Railway in January of 1939 was in debt to the LNER to the tune of £15,000 and the LNER took over management of the company. The timetable for the NSR shared the same poster as Alnmouth - Alnwick services.
(Source - article in Railway Bylines issue 5 vol 1 by Sam Armstrong)
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Post by richard » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:23 pm

Ownership and management are different things - something I'll have to decide when the North Sunderland gets added to the Constituent Company section - should it have its own section under minor railways?

The RCTS books don't list it as a constituent.

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Post by Wainwright » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:05 pm

I know this would involve more work and research, but what about a new section, something on the lines of 'private railways worked by or adjacent to the LNER' to cover some of the interesting or major non-grouped lines in LNER territory? They could include things like the Southwold (although not sure if it lasted past grouping), the Derwent Valley, the North SUnderland, etc (although the colliery railways might mean this section could become unwieldily large)?

Maybe that's a longterm future thing...

ANyway, this is still one of the best railway sites around and its great to see it grow!

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Post by richard » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:48 pm

Thanks for the compliments.

Lines like you described were originally listed under articles, but moved into the "Constituent Companies" section according to geography/connections.

So far only the Aberford Railway is covered. The Easingwold, North Sunderland, and Thorp Arch ROF Factory are definite candidates that I have on my list 'to do'.

First on my list are the remaining maps and 'finishing' the GNSR section.


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Post by Solario » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:16 pm

The other LNER joint lines that I am aware of are –

The East London Railway (with the SR, Met R & Met District R)
The Manchester, Altringham & South Junction Railway (with the LMS)
The Axholme Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Caledonian & Dunbartonshire Junction Railway (with the LMS)
The Dundee & Arbroath Railway (with the LMS)
The Great Central & Midland Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Great Central & North Staffordshire Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Great Northern & London & North Western Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Halifax & Ovenden Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Methley Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Norfolk & Suffolk Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Oldham, Ashton & Guide Bridge Railway (with the LMS)
The Otley & Ilkley Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Swinton & Knottingley Joint Railway (with the LMS)
The Tottenham & Hampstead Joint Railway (with the LMS)

Leeds City Station (with the LMS)
Manchester, London Road? (with the LMS)
Prince’s Dock, Glasgow (with the LMS)
Perth General Station (with the LMS)
Prince’s Dock, Glasgow (with the LMS)

I am guessing that there will be others (around Aberdeen, maybe).

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Post by silver fox » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:30 pm

I've been thinking about writing the artical for the derwent valley, but you would also need one for the Foss islands branch.

I've been down foss islands road, and for those of you who remember the council depot next to Halfords, they've moved, the area has been flattened, (bar the chimney!), and Morrisons is on there, Homebase are moving on there, a couple of empty units, and kwikfit, and off layerthorpe, they've put a road in to the bottom of James Street, and I'd not seen this, but MSN maps have updated, and they've got a birds eye view of the area, and the last bridge before the branch to the DV(L)R (Halifield Road) Well this has gone, and it's all been flattened, now you have to take in a foot path, a road crossing and back on the DV(L)R

If you put the hybrid on, it shows where the road used to go!

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Post by f4kphantom » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:03 pm

That lot ought to keep Richard out the pub for a wee while

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