LNER Joint Railways

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by stamper » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:47 pm

Hi

The LNER inherited a joint interest in the Metropolitan & Great Central Joint Committee line in 1923. They subsequently shared joint interest with various bodies as follows:

pre-1923: line jointly owned by the Metropolitan Railway (MetR) and the Great Central Railway (GCR)

1923-1933: still owned by the MetR, now jointly with the L.N.E.R. (who inherited the joint ownership from the G.C.R. in the 1923 grouping)

1933-1948: now jointly owned by the London Passenger Transport Board (who inherited joint ownership from the MetR) and (still) the L.N.E.R.

... and subsequently ...

1948-1963: line owned by British Transport Commission (London Transport Executive)

1963: line owned by London Transport Board, jointly with British Railways (?)

... I think!!

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by Solario » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:24 am

I think that the thread contained most of the LNER joint lines but for my own interest, I have pulled them all together. In addition, there is a list of some docks and stations which, I dare say, can be expanded. (Was Hawes a joint station?). I have set the date at about 1920, whilst the H&B was still independent.

It is noticeable that the GCR was involved in more joint ventures than most other companies.

Any corrections or additions will be welcome.

Joint Lines perpetuated after the Grouping

The Axholme Joint Railway (L&YR & NER)
The Caledonian & Dunbartonshire Junction Railway (CalR & NBR)
The Cheshire Lines Committee (GCR, GNR, & MidR)
The Dundee & Arbroath Railway (CalR & NBR)
The East London Railway (GER, LB&SCR, LCDR, Met R, MetDistR & SER)
The Forth Bridge (GNR, MidR, NBR & NER)
The Great Central & Midland Joint Railway (GCR & MidR)
The Great Central, Hull & Barnsley & Midland Joint Railway (GCR, H&BR & MidR)
The Great Central & North Staffordshire Joint Railway (GCR & NSR)
The Great Northern & London & North Western Joint Railway (GNR & LNWR)
The Great Western & Great Central Joint (GCR & GWR)
The Halifax & Ovenden Joint Railway (GNR & L&YR)
The Manchester, Altringham & South Junction Railway (GCR & LNWR)
The Methley Joint Railway (GNR, L&YR & NER)
The Metropolitan & Great Central Joint (GCR & MetR)
The Midland & Great Northern Joint Railway (GNR & MidR)
The Norfolk & Suffolk Joint Railway (GER & M&GNR)
The Oldham, Ashton & Guide Bridge Junction Railway (GCR & LNWR)
The Otley & Ilkley Joint Railway (MidR & NER)
The South Yorkshire Joint Railway (GCR, GNR, L&YR, MidR & NER)
The Swinton & Knottingley Joint Railway (MidR & NER)
The Tottenham & Hampstead Joint Railway (GER & MidR?)
Wath Curve (GC, MidR & NER)

Joint Lines Dissolved on the Grouping (all partners becoming LNER)

The Great Central & Hull & Barnsley Joint (GCR & H&BR)
The Great Northern & Great Eastern Joint (GNR & GER)
The West Riding & Grimsby Railway (GCR & GNR)

Joint Stations & Docks

Aberdeen Joint Station (CalR & GNoSR?)
King George V Dock, Hull (H&BR & NER)
Leeds City Station (NER & LNWR)
Manchester, London Road (GCR & LNWR)
Prince’s Dock, Glasgow (CalR; NBR?)
Perth General Station (CalR; NBR)

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by Eightpot » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:56 pm

stamper wrote:Hi

The LNER inherited a joint interest in the Metropolitan & Great Central Joint Committee line in 1923. They subsequently shared joint interest with various bodies as follows:

pre-1923: line jointly owned by the Metropolitan Railway (MetR) and the Great Central Railway (GCR)

1923-1933: still owned by the MetR, now jointly with the L.N.E.R. (who inherited the joint ownership from the G.C.R. in the 1923 grouping)

1933-1948: now jointly owned by the London Passenger Transport Board (who inherited joint ownership from the MetR) and (still) the L.N.E.R.

... and subsequently ...

1948-1963: line owned by British Transport Commission (London Transport Executive)

1963: line owned by London Transport Board, jointly with British Railways (?)

... I think!!

Brian
To add to the confusion didn't the LNER take over some of the Metropolitan/LT locomotive stock for working beyond Rickmansworth, the furthest extent of electrification then, but the track still remained LT/LNER Joint?

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by 60041 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:45 pm

It looks like the old South Yorkshire Joint Railway has been somewhat reduced over the christmas break; thieves have taken 1,400 yards of track:
http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/fre ... 6691092.jp

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by 65447 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:05 pm

Solario wrote:Any corrections or additions will be welcome.
I have queries against the following, plus a confirmation:

Joint Lines perpetuated after the Grouping

? The Caledonian & Dunbartonshire Junction Railway (CalR & NBR)
? The Forth Bridge (GNR, MidR, NBR & NER)
The Tottenham & Hampstead Joint Railway (GER & MidR?) is actually (MidR & GER)
? Wath Curve (GC, MidR & NER)

Joint Stations & Docks

? Manchester, London Road (GCR & LNWR)

And would submit the following:

Joint Lines

Halifax High Level Joint Line (Halifax, St Pauls, to a junction with the Halifax and Ovenden Joint near Holmfield)
Watford Extension (under construction 1924)
Dumbarton and Balloch (NB and CR also includes North British Steam Packet Loch Lomond Steamers)
Rothesay Dock (NB and CR, north bank of R. Clyde just 17 chains in length between Clyde Bank Dock junction and Rothesay Dock Lines of the Clyde Navigation Trustees)
Stobcross (Low Level) and Kelvinhaugh (NB and CR, just 39 chains in length between Stobcross and junction with CR line to Kelvinhaugh Goods)

Joint Stations

Aylesbury (GW & GC Joint and Met & GC Joint)
Barnsley, Court House (GCR and MidR) - Coaching traffic only
Bradford, Exchange (L&YR and GNR) - Coaching traffic only
Halifax (L&YR and GNR)
Knottingley (L&YR and GNR)
Leeds, Central (L&YR and GNR) - Coaching traffic only
Stalybridge (GCR and LNWR)
Wakefield, Kirkgate (L&YR and GNR)
Wakefield, Westgate (GCR & GNR and MidR)

Hawes (MidR and NER)
Holbeck (MidR and NER) - Coaching traffic only
Leeds, New L&NWR and NER) - Coaching traffic only
Penrith ((CK&P and LNWR) and NER)
Tebay (LNWR and NER)

Aberdeen, Passenger (CR and GNoSR) - Coaching traffic only
Perth, General (CR & HR and NBR) - Coaching traffic only
Carlisle, Dentonholme ((G&SWR and MidR) and NBR) - Goods traffic only

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by 65447 » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:08 pm

Due to the fact that editing long posts becomes a game of chance, I will add to the above as a postscript that my source is:
Routes, Running Powers, Working Arrangements and Jointly Owned Railways, Private For use of the Company's Staff only, L&NER December 1924

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by kudu » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:22 pm

Eightpot wrote: To add to the confusion didn't the LNER take over some of the Metropolitan/LT locomotive stock for working beyond Rickmansworth, the furthest extent of electrification then, but the track still remained LT/LNER Joint?
The LNER took over the operations on 1/11/1933 and bought 18 of the Met's larger locos, classified as H2, L2 and M2. Full details in the Encyclopedia!

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by Atlantic 3279 » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:01 pm

I'm glad somebody mentioned Leeds Central when only Leeds City (Leeds New) had first been listed. I had wondered whether the management of Central had remained joint, since GNR/LNER dominated as it ultimately was, the GNR was actually something of a latecomer at the original station, and I believe the (ex L&Y) LMS services to Manchester continued to operate from Central.
Bachmann A2 to A2/3: from my thread in Model Railways page 56 to 83, also

Hornby A3 to A1/1 Great Northern: from page 84, in resin from page 108.


Apologies for so many missing images - see page 1 for reasons & possible solution.

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Re: LNER Joint Railways

Post by lornaclare31 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:18 pm

Is this the bridge your referring to?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/99466199@ ... LqJ-owbCbc

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