Refurbed HSTs. A folly?

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Refurbed HSTs. A folly?

Post by sandwhich » Wed May 20, 2020 2:31 pm

I cannot help but think that the refurbishment of some of the HST fleet into four or five coach sets for Great Western and Scotrail has become something of a folly with costs rising and very late delivery of these trains. Would it not have been better to have ordered a new fleet of trains that would probably all have been in service by now. I think nostalgia has got the better by thinking that these trains could in some way or another can keep going. I am not decrying these trains, but they have been running for over forty years and have given fine service but they cannot go on forever and I do believe that the refurbed units probably will not go beyond ten years. We are where we are and if reports are correct Great Western may have some more of these units.

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Re: Refurbed HSTs. A folly?

Post by Hatfield Shed » Thu May 21, 2020 9:54 am

The one person I know regularly using the ECML long distance, reckons the 800 units a folly. If the 90+mk4 sets were nearing life expiry, then the better plan would have been to replace with a new build of more of the same, there was nothng wrong with them from the passenger perspective.

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Re: Refurbed HSTs. A folly?

Post by strang steel » Sat May 23, 2020 9:58 am

I don't think the shortened HSTs on the Cardiff - Taunton route are a folly, and I'm sure I am not alone.

Remember, it was not that long ago we North Somerset dwellers had to endure class 143s bouncing and screeching along, with passengers doing the same on their 1980s-style bus seats. Even fairly recently, we had more 150s than 158s on that service, so a Mk3 is like business class (even if it is 40 years old) to us fare paying passengers.
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Re: Refurbed HSTs. A folly?

Post by sandwhich » Sat May 23, 2020 5:07 pm

I do see your point strang steel after the tribulations of inferior units they must seem luxury but it may seem to have been cost effective to have built new units rather than have refurbished forty year old units.

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Re: Refurbed HSTs. A folly?

Post by Mickey » Sun May 24, 2020 8:32 pm

Never really liked them for a very long time after they took over the 'top link' jobs from the Deltics in 1976 out of Kings Cross but after watching some film of them recently 'in action' on the Midland main line out of St Pancras during the 1980s and possibly due to some sort of nostalgia for British Rail of the 1970s & 1980s I suppose they weren't to bad after all. Apparently they were restricted to 100mph on the Midland main line unless there was a second driver in the cab although long stretches of the Midland main line were restricted to 100mph running only anyway.

When I was at Junction Road Junction box on the T&H lines between late 1981-85 and from memory starting with the introduction of the 1982 winter time table we had x3 HST sets come out of Bounds Green CS for St Pancras during the early weekday mornings including on a Saturday morning between about 3:30-5:00am that all returned to Bounds Green CS during the same day evening for servicing & maintenance that took over from the Midland class 45 'peaks' on the top link jobs out of St Pancras. Originally it started in 1982 with x3 HST sets then around 1983-84 it dropped to x2 HST sets and by 1985-86 it was down to just one HST set before that ended during 1986 from memory.
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Re: Refurbed HSTs. A folly?

Post by Pyewipe Junction » Mon May 25, 2020 10:14 am

sandwhich wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 5:07 pm
I do see your point strang steel after the tribulations of inferior units they must seem luxury but it may seem to have been cost effective to have built new units rather than have refurbished forty year old units.
I recently saw a YouTube video of a refurbished HST set on an Aberdeen to Edinburgh train and I must say it was remarkably quiet and the interiors were nicely refurbished. The HSTs, with over 4000hp at their disposal, should not be at all stressed on the Scottish services, even allowing for the gradients and frequent stopping. They are apparently very popular with passengers.

One assumes that a detailed cost-benefit analysis was done of refurbished HST versus new units.

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Re: Refurbed HSTs. A folly?

Post by Mickey » Tue May 26, 2020 6:40 am

I was watching two different dvds on the HSTs yesterday and they appeared to have been well suited to the WR of British Rail on the Paddington, Bristol & Cardiff run which made me wonder was the electrification of the WR really worth the trouble and expense?. Also strangely for some reason they looked a bit out of place on the ECML?.

Also the original British Rail corporate livery of blue & grey looked good on them I thought as opposed to the later private companies liveries that were applied to them.

Also isn't 125mph fast enough I don't want to travel on a train at 150mph or 200mph otherwise your be arriving before you left soon??.
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