West End Workbench

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by Woodcock29 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:07 am

Darryl
Thats exactly what I was thinking.

Every time I start to build another LNER loco kit I have to spend ages pawing over the relevant Yeadon (assuming I have it), RCTS Greenie, Locos Illus and a heap of other books trying to establish which number loco I'm going to build and what the specific details of it are for late 30s period. Usually I do this watching TV! I wonder if it as complicated for the other Big 4?

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by jwealleans » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:21 am

Well, that's started a whole new can of worms. I don't have the Greenie which covers this class, but i read Yeadon as saying that all of them after the J39/1 initial build had 4200 gallon tenders. That assumption made, 3500 gallon versions didn't even occur.

I have a 3500 gallon in resin along with a body to make a J39/1 - maybe a renumber is in order here, or a trip up to Gateshead to see Dave Alexander next month. More reading certainly required.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by Dave » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:16 am

Good morning JW.

I like the work on the old J39, I've always thought it could do with a bit of work, but as I don't own one thats another matter.

I did not know that article existed, I will have to look out for a copy.

Back to sleep now.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by earlswood nob » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:03 am

Good morning all

I like the Bachmann J39, and they are easily upgraded with a few mods. I stripped the split chassis of the three that I bought cheaply off an auction site, cleaned the bearings and now they run very smooth with good haulage capability.

I swapped the tenders of mine from the B1 tender supplied by Bachmann (J39s never ran with those) with Dave Alexander tenders to produce J39/3s. I also used a tender from a Nucast Q6 to make another J39/3.

I did produce a list of tenders given the the J39s as built, and will look it out when I return home. I will post it on here and someone may find it interesting.

Earlswood nob

PS; Some of the J39s had a single oval shaped cover to the valve chests, as opposed to the twin covers on the early examples.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by earlswood nob » Tue Oct 31, 2017 10:53 am

Good morning all

Here is the chart for J39s:

I hope this is of interest.

Earlswood nob

CLASS J39 TENDERS
Tender Valve
No. Cap Type Front ends
1448 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1449 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1450 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1451 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1452 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1453 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1454 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1455 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1456 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1457 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1458 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1459 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1481 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1484 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1492 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1493 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1494 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1495 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1270 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1496 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1497 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1498 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1233 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1255 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1263 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1259 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1265 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1266 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1267 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1272 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1273 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1268 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1269 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1274 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1277 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1275 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1281 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1282 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1286 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1287 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1289 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1290 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1295 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1296 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
1298 3500 Stepped Out Low Single
2691 3500 Flush Low Single
2692 3500 Flush Low Single
2693 3500 Flush Low Single
2694 3500 Flush Low Single
2695 3500 Flush Low Single
2696 3500 Flush Low Single
2697 3500 Flush Low Single
2698 3500 Flush Low Single
2699 3500 Flush Low Single
2700 3500 Flush Low Single
2701 3500 Flush Low Single
2702 3500 Flush Low Single
2703 3500 Flush Low Single
2704 3500 Flush Low Single
2705 3500 Flush Low Single
2706 3500 Flush Low Single
2707 3500 Flush Low Single
2708 3500 Flush Low Single
2709 3500 Flush Low Single
2710 3500 Flush Low Single
2711 3500 Flush Low Single
2712 3500 Flush Low Single
2713 3500 Flush Low Single
2714 3500 Flush Low Single
2715 3500 Flush Low Single
2716 3500 Flush Low Single
2717 3500 Flush Low Single
2718 3500 Flush Low Single
2719 3500 Flush Low Single
2720 3500 Flush Low Single
2721 3500 Flush Low Single
2722 3500 Flush Low Single
2723 3500 Flush Low Single
2724 3500 Flush Low Single
2725 3500 Flush Low Single
2726 3500 Flush Low Single
2727 3500 Flush Low Single
2728 3500 Flush Low Single
2729 3500 Flush Low Single
2730 3500 Flush Low Single
2731 4200 Flush Low Single
2732 4200 Flush Low Single
2733 4200 Flush Low Single
2734 4200 Flush Low Single
2735 4200 Flush Low Single
2736 4200 Flush Low Single
2737 4200 Flush Low Single
2738 4200 Flush Low Single
2739 4200 Flush Low Single
2740 4200 Flush Low Single
2741 4200 Flush Low Single
2742 4200 Flush Low Single
2770 3500 Flush Low Single
2771 3500 Flush Low Single
2772 3500 Flush Low Single
2773 3500 Flush Low Single
2774 3500 Flush Low Single
2775 3500 Flush Low Single
2776 3500 Flush Low Single
2777 3500 Flush Low Single
2778 3500 Flush Low Single
2779 3500 Flush Low Single
2780 3500 Flush Low Single
2781 3500 Flush Low Single
2782 3500 Flush Low Single
2783 3500 Flush Low Single
2784 3500 Flush Low Single
2785 3500 Flush Low Single
1418 3500 Flush Low Single
1425 3500 Flush Low Single
1466 3500 Flush Low Single
1429 3500 Flush Low Single
1470 3500 Flush Low Single
1487 3500 Flush Low Single
1489 3500 Flush Low Single
1491 3500 Flush Low Single
2786 4200 Low Single
2787 4200 Low Single
2788 4200 Low Single
2962 3500 Flush Low Single
2963 3500 Flush Low Single
2964 3500 Flush Low Single
2965 3500 Flush Low Single
2966 3500 Flush Low Single
2967 3500 Flush Low Single
2968 3500 Flush Low Single
2969 3500 Flush Low Single
2970 3500 Flush Low Single
2971 3500 Flush Low Single
2972 3500 Flush Low Single
2973 3500 Flush Low Single
2974 3500 Flush Low Single
2975 3500 Flush Low Single
2976 3500 Flush Low Single
2977 4200 Stepped Out Low Single
2978 4200 Stepped Out Low Single
2979 4200 Stepped Out Low Single
2980 4200 Stepped Out Low Single
1453 4200 Stepped out/ex-B13 Low/NER Single
1469 4200 Stepped out/ex-B13 Low/NER Single
1471 4200 Stepped out/ex-B13/C7 Low/NER Single
1480 4200 Stepped out/C7 Low/NER Single
1482 3500 Flush Low Single
1483 3500 Flush Low Single
1412 3500 Flush Low Single
1463 3500 Flush Low Single
1467 3500 Flush Low Single
1468 3500 Flush Low Single
1472 3500 Flush Low Single
1488 3500 Flush Low Single
1475 4125 ex-A2 NER Double
1476 4125 ex-A2 NER Double
1477 4125 ex-A2 NER Double
1478 4125 ex-A2 NER Double
1479 4125 ex-A2 NER Double
1436 3500 Flush Low Double
1460 3500 Flush Low Double
1464 3500 Flush Low Double
1465 3500 Flush Low Double
1473 3500 Flush Low Double
1474 3500 Flush Low Double
1485 3500 Flush Low Double
1486 3500 Flush Low Double
1504 3500 Flush Low Double
1505 3500 Flush Low Double
1506 3500 Flush Low Double
1584 3500 Flush Low Double
2941 4200 Flush Low Double
2942 4200 Flush Low Double
2943 4200 Flush Low Double
2944 4200 Flush Low Double
2945 4200 Flush Low Double
2946 4200 Flush Low Double
2947 4200 Flush Low Double
2948 4200 Flush Low Double
2949 4200 Flush Low Double
2950 4200 Flush Low Double
2951 4200 Flush Low Double
2952 4200 Flush Low Double
2953 4200 Flush Low Double
2981 4200 Flush Low Double
2982 4200 Flush Low Double
2983 4200 Flush Low Double
2984 4200 Flush Low Double
2985 4200 Flush Low Double
2986 4200 Flush Low Double
2987 4200 Flush Low Double
2988 4200 Flush Low Double
2989 4200 Flush Low Double
2990 4200 Flush Low Double
2991 4200 Flush Low Double
2992 4200 Flush Low Double
2993 4200 Flush Low Double
2994 4200 Flush Low Double
2995 4200 Flush Low Double
2996 4200 Flush Low Double
2997 4200 Flush Low Double
2998 4200 Flush Low Double
2999 4200 Flush Low Double
3000 4200 Flush Low Double
1803 4200 Flush Low Double
1813 4200 Flush Low Double
1824 4200 Flush Low Double
1828 4200 Flush Low Double
1854 4200 Flush Low Double
1856 4200 Flush Low Double
1857 4200 Flush Low Double
1869 4200 Flush Low Double
1870 4200 Flush Low Double
1532 3500 Flush Low Double
1533 3500 Flush Low Double
1534 3500 Flush Low Double
1536 3500 Flush Low Double
1539 3500 Flush Low Double
1540 3500 Flush Low Double
1543 3500 Flush Low Double
1544 3500 Flush Low Double
1545 3500 Flush Low Double
1547 3500 Flush Low Double
1563 3500 Flush Low Double
1577 3500 Flush Low Double
1580 3500 Flush Low Double
1585 3500 Flush Low Double
1586 3500 Flush Low Double
1587 3500 Flush Low Double
1875 3500 Flush Low Double
1880 3500 Flush Low Double
1894 3500 Flush Low Double
1508 3500 Flush Low Double
1509 3500 Flush Low Double
1535 3500 Flush Low Double
1537 3500 Flush Low Double
1538 3500 Flush Low Double
1541 3500 Flush Low Double
1542 3500 Flush Low Double
1546 3500 Flush Low Double
1548 3500 Flush Low Double
1551 3500 Flush Low Double
1558 3500 Flush Low Double
1560 4200 Flush Low Double
1804 4200 Flush Low Double
1808 4200 Flush Low Double
1835 4200 Flush Low Double
1862 4200 Flush Low Double
1896 4200 Flush Low Double
1863 4200 Flush Low Double
1898 4200 Flush Low Double
1903 4200 Flush Low Double
1922 4200 Flush Low Double
1926 4200 Flush Low Double
1927 4200 Flush Low Double
1928 4200 Flush Low Double
1930 4200 Flush Low Double
1933 4200 Flush Low Double
1940 4200 Flush High Double
1942 4200 Flush High Double
1943 4200 Flush High Double
1952 4200 Flush High Double
1965 4200 Flush High Double
1971 4200 Flush High Double
1974 4200 Flush High Double
1977 4200 Flush High Double
1980 4200 Flush High Double
1984 4200 Flush High Double
1996 4200 Flush High Double
1997 4200 Flush High Double
3081 3940 ex-D17 NER Double
3082 3940 ex-D17 NER Double
3083 3940 ex-D17 NER Double
3084 3940 ex-D17 NER Double
3085 3940 ex-D17 NER Double
3086 3940 ex-D17 NER Double
3087 3940 ex-D17 NER Double
3088 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3089 3940 ex-D17 NER Double
3090 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3091 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3092 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3093 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3094 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3095 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3096 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3097 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
3098 4125 ex-D21 NER Double
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Re: West End Workbench

Post by 52D » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:20 pm

fine research EN
Hi interested in the area served by 52D. also researching colliery wagonways from same area.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by manna » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:51 pm

G'Day Gents

Congratulations on reaching 2000 posts. 8)

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by jwealleans » Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:56 pm

Well, good heavens. Fine way to hit 2000 as well - that's a hell of a bit of research. I'll suggest it's added or linked to from the J39 page.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by earlswood nob » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:03 am

Good morning all

Thanks for the kind words.

The chart is not quite complete as there are a few locos that I'm uncertain about.

When it is complete I'll look into attaching it to the J39 page.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by Woodcock29 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:29 pm

Hello Jonathan
I currently have time to spare as we're staying with our daughter in Queensland to assist after the birth of our second grand daughter. So I've gone back to page 1 of your thread and started reading it all from the beginning again.
This time I'm making notes so I know which page to go back to when I want to refer to some of the kits you've built that I still have to build.
Your thread together with Graeme's are wonderful resources for LNER/ER modellers - so many thanks for all the time you put in posting photos and text on what you have been building.
It was also great to meet you back in May when we visited the late Bert Collins' layout 'Hitchin'.
Regards
Andrew

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by jwealleans » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:42 am

Hallo Andrew,

Good to know that the time I spent reinstating photos hasn't been wasted, then. The RMWeb thread has an index after the first post was screwed up by some sort of forum fault. I wonder sometimes about putting one on here, but there's the search function and only so many hours in the day.

The trip to Hitchin was one of the highlights of my year, a really excellent day out. Hopefully next time you're over we can arrange a visit to Grantham as well.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by jwealleans » Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:37 pm

In advance of the trip to the NEC, I made the most of a day at home (a rare occurrence recently) to weather the J39. It had been lettered and varnished over the last couple of weeks:

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For the moment we're serenely overlooking the matter of the incorrect tender; moves were already in hand to source a correct one and I have located one in stock which in due course, possibly even before the next Grantham outing, will replace this one. For the moment it will do the job.

So, a filthy wash and a good dose of powders later, this is what we have.

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Some tidying up to do and maybe an oil stain on an axlebox, even a slight water leak round a washout plug, just to show what can be done. I've got a crew on the way from ModelU, a coal load for the tender is drying, fire irons are in stock and there will be a rake of wagons behind it. It's starting to come together.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by jwealleans » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:27 pm

Well, it has been a while hasn't it? Barely seems a few days since I last posted. I've been laid low by a heavy cold over Christmas which has kept me all out of motivation to do much. Things are picking up though and a few small projects meander towards completion while another makes a start. Most of the wagons were bought at Middlesbrough show in May and have awaited refinishing since.

Firstly, here's a blast from the past for some of you. I'm not old enough to remember these. I was given this and a similar recently, clearly in the knowledge that I'd feel compelled to finish them off. I wasn't even going to repaint this one but removing the brake wheels left too much mess. The bolsters really were that low according to the drawing in Tatlow; I've added some 10 thou strip to represent the steel plate on top. Not much more to do, really.

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Pair of 3H opens. One as a Cheshire Lines example just for a bit of variety.

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Lastly, apart from the Ks shock wagon, an Oxford Diecast PO. I couldn't find Adrian's list of everything wrong with these, so this one has had new buffers (LMS), capping strip clips removed and a London plank let in. Hopefully it's nearer passing muster.

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Now, to the next project. The Stirling Single is finally within sight - I saw the production sample at Warley - and although it's two years late for the birthday for which it was intended, it's time to start on the train to accompany it. This will be the 1938 exhibition train which ran to various parts of the country after the Flying Scotsman launch and (hopefully) will feature on Grantham when complete.

For anyone not familiar, Mike Trice led an excellent analysis of the makeup of the stock here. To quote from that thread, the train comprised:

"GNR Diag 303 (LNER 4220) Full Brake 29' x 7' 11.125" wide, 20' 0.5" w/b
GNR Diag 245 (LNER 4179) 5 Compartment Third 32' 1.5" x 8' 2" wide w/b 22' 5"
GNR Diag 155 (LNER 4078) Composite 34' 10.5" x 8' 2" wide w/b 24' 6"
GNR Diag 84 (LNER 4047) Toilet First 33' 8.25" x 8' 2" wide 24' w/b
GNR Diag 84 (LNER 4047) Toilet First 33' 8.25" x 8' 2" wide 24' w/b
GNR Diag 155 (LNER 4078) Composite 34' 10.5" x 8' 2" wide w/b 24' 6"
GNR Diag 303 (LNER 4220) Full Brake 29' x 7' 11.125" wide, 20' 0.5" w/b"

Of these, Bill offers the D 303 in brass (and shortly in resin) and Dan Pinnock the D 245. For the rest you're on your own.

So, let's go for the low hanging fruit first.

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I think Dan did these in one of the 2016 lists. I've had it a while, anyway. Nothing clever or innovative, just a pleasant way to spend Christmas Eve. The D.303s are on the way from Bill.

For the rest, I have been talking to friends on the Grantham team and so was in possession of these:

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These are Rowmark sides, laser cut (I think by York Modelmaking, but not entirely sure). The upper panels have a layer which pulls away to give the recessed panelling, the lower side has grooves to quide the attachment of beading, in this case Evergreen 20 thou rod. The upper side (D. 84) is unstarted, the lower (D. 155) has had panels removed and beading attached. Unfortunately I have run out of rod, so I'm making floors (Paxolin), ends and whatever else I can while some more arrives. The springs/axleboxes are by Mike Trice from his Shapeways shop.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by Woodcock29 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:36 pm

Hi Jonathan
Happy New Year
I'm wondering if you reduced the width of the floor when building the D245? The slightly over-wide floor is is probably the only issue with Dan's D&S Howlden stock. Of course to do this you have to break off the backs to the solebars. I didn't on the first pair I built but I did after that. It just allows the sides to sit very slightly proud of the solebars as they should.

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Re: West End Workbench

Post by john coffin » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:53 pm

Nice work as usual Jonathan, but a couple of points.

The widths of all the carriages in the list you show are basically wrong for the width over body rather than over eaves of roof.

303 is Standard 7ft 6in plus ducket
245/155/84 are all 7 ft 9 in width over the waist.

A minor difference to be sure, but enough to be noticed.
Paul

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