size of cabside numbers

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silverfox
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size of cabside numbers

Post by silverfox » Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:42 pm

Has anyone got an idea of the size of the BR cabside numbers of an ex LNER B17?

Thanks

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by silverfox » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:24 am

Having posted this question on several dedicated Railway site ,both full size and miniature, AND sent it to the NRM
There has not been one qualified answer

Rather disappointed that this information is no longer available

Of course you get the 'helpful' replies that BR used 8.9 and 10 inch numbers but that is as much use as asking for the wingspan of Concorde and being given the wingspans of 707/747 and Tridents

Sometimes i despair!

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by john coffin » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:54 am

I think that you have been rather optimistic to expect this data to be readily available.

on what I have seen in relation to the GNR I would not expect there to be a drawing
dedicated to one particular class of loco, but there certainly are drawings which allow one
to make an educated guess.

I have not looked for those I have, since they are ex GNR related, but since at least one is for
"minor" passenger classes, may well be used to provide the basics.

I will try and find them over the weekend and see what we can arrange.

Paul

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by jwealleans » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:44 pm

Can you not find a square on photo and work it our based on the size of the cab windows?

I can't remember what HMRS number I used on the last one I did, but I just took what looked right against a photo and applied them.

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by 65447 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:05 pm

Officially 8" high, but it was noted that Darlington used 10"... that difference, for any locomotives that had passed through Darlington, would be obvious.

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by coachmann » Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:55 pm

The Eastern Region generally used the largest of the BR cabside numerals'. Photos show what was 'general' in BR in the steam era. The B17's I've have seen in photos all had the usual large insignia.

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by john coffin » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:45 pm

Taken a long time to find what I wanted, but Yeadon suggests that 8.5in height for BR cab side numbers.

Paul

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by silverfox » Sun Jan 06, 2019 6:03 pm

Well, I have got permission to go and measure No 9 when she is back at Southall, so whatever she has my B17 will also.

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by 65447 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:24 am

Discussed here: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index. ... mber-size/

NB - No mention of 8 1/2" in that thread nor in Brian Haresnape's book on the subject.

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by john coffin » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:07 pm

Since I referred to Yeadon, I suggest you look at Vol 5 page 43, lower photo.

Paul

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by 65447 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:16 pm

john coffin wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:07 pm
Since I referred to Yeadon, I suggest you look at Vol 5 page 43, lower photo.

Paul
Not BR transfers or lettering though, just an anomaly during the transition using LNER stocks...

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by 65447 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:18 pm

65447 wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:16 pm
john coffin wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:07 pm
Since I referred to Yeadon, I suggest you look at Vol 5 page 43, lower photo.

Paul
Not BR transfers or lettering though, just an anomaly during the transition using LNER stocks...

Since we are quoting sources try Brian Haresnape's BR Standard Steam Locomotives, Appendix 2, where the official BR livery details are documented.

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Re: size of cabside numbers

Post by john coffin » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:36 pm

Having been tidying up my drawings, I discovered that I had two drawings
which are dated 1948.
They show proposals for two different sizes of the British Railways lettering on the locos of the Eastern Region
10 inches and 9 inches high.

So why they might have used 8.5 I do not know.

Paul

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